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Subject: Rumsfeld and flying
From: Howard Berkowitz Date: 3/6/04 10:20 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: My former father-in-law was a Naval aviator flying close air support during Korea. During Viet Nam, however, I suppose you could say he "got out of combat" since his assignments included service test pilot at Wright-Patterson, Sixth Fleet duty He went to war and saw the elephant. He was one of us. Every thing after that is gravy. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
WOW ! I'm really impressed. A trained skilled pilot who during a shooting war got out of all combat commitments. Now that is what I call skill. Go see if your welfare check has come in yet, and also ask the nurse for a larger dose. Good Luck! |
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Subject: Rumsfeld and flying
From: "D. Strang" Date: 3/6/04 10:26 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: cJo2c.10293$m4.2072@okepread03 "ArtKramr" wrote WOW ! I'm really impressed. A trained skilled pilot who during a shooting war got out of all combat commitments. Now that is what I call skill. Go see if your welfare check has come in yet, and also ask the nurse for a larger dose. Good Luck! This is a very emotional issue for me. I think of absent friends who still lie in foreign graves. Then I think of those who could have gone and didn't. And no amount of discussion will convince me that these two calibers of men were equal Now I'll ask the nurse for a larger dose and thanks for your good luck wishes. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
This is a very emotional issue for me. Obviously your emotions have overtaken your other bodily functions. I think of absent friends who still lie in foreign graves. Should have shipped them home. Most would have died on Route 66 anyway, as we didn't have seat belts back then. Then I think of those who could have gone and didn't. Rumsfeld ain't one of them. He was a Congressman, not a combat pilot. And no amount of discussion will convince me that these two calibers of men were equal Rumsfeld wasn't a pilot during his Reserve Duty. I don't think he's flown an aircraft since 1954. |
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You served with honor. So did the SecDef. You had one situation, he
had another. Don't attempt to demean him or others to fit your agenda. Or, at least if you do, then keep the ROE consistent. Uhhh...Ed....let me introduce you to Art Kramer.... BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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Subject: Rumsfeld and flying
From: (BUFDRVR) Date: 3/6/04 12:07 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: You served with honor. So did the SecDef. You had one situation, he had another. Don't attempt to demean him or others to fit your agenda. Or, at least if you do, then keep the ROE consistent. Uhhh...Ed....let me introduce you to Art Kramer.... BUFDRVR I think back to the days of my training in Texas. Every instructor we had was a combat veteran who completed his tour of duty and came back to instruct. My Bombing instructor was a veteran of 25 missions with the bloody 100th bomb group. He flew them from England to Berlin without fighter escort taking horrible losses. He not only tought us our basic job, but he let us know what it acutually was like in combat and all during my tour of duty his training resulted in the fact that there were no surprises for us in combat except for the time we are attacked by an ME 262. I find it interesting that Rumsfeld was an instructor who had never been to combat. I don't see that as a change for the better in flight training. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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