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Straight-ins at uncontrolled airports?
Advisory Circular 90-66A, Operations at Airports Without an Operating
Control Tower, is the reference. It clearly illustrates straight-in approaches to both single and parallel runways. Bob Gardner "Danny Deger" wrote in message ... I haven't flown in a while, but am in the market for a used plane. I recalling hearing somewhere that straight-in approaches are now approved at uncontrolled airports. Is this correct? Danny Deger |
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Straight-ins at uncontrolled airports?
"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote in message news:ELCdnYJpMrZIJFrYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@wideopenwest .com... "Danny Deger" wrote in message ... I haven't flown in a while, but am in the market for a used plane. I recalling hearing somewhere that straight-in approaches are now approved at uncontrolled airports. Is this correct? I assume you are not trying to win friends and influance people? I am gleening from this thread the state of straight-ins has not changed over the years. To me a key is how busy the pattern is. If I am lined up at night, I like the straight-in. It is pretty rare to have a full pattern at night. Danny Deger -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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"Crash Lander" wrote in message ... Yes, but that doesn't mean an a/c can just cut short the pattern and push in front of everyone else just because he wants to come straight in. Someone cutting a pattern short wouldn't be on a straight-in approach. |
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Straight-ins at uncontrolled airports?
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com... As others have told you, it's never been illegal to do a straight-in approach. However, PLEASE try to refrain from doing them when the pattern is full. Not only is it rude, it's often dangerous to attempt when you've got three on downwind, one on base, and one already on final. I see this happen all too often -- almost invariably by the charter guys, who have a paying guy in the back that's late for his meeting -- and it results in frayed nerves and flared tempers. Simple solution. The straight-in should follow the aircraft on base and the aircraft on downwind alter their patterns to follow the straight-in. |
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Straight-ins at uncontrolled airports?
"Jim" wrote in message news Yes. This is particularly wonderful when a pilot announces a five-mile straight-in final to an uncontrolled field. How is it wonderful? |
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"Kev" wrote in message ups.com... Exactly. They need to announce down to about every mile to the field on a straight-in. I've had someone announce they were twenty miles out on a straight-in, so I turned base. Lo and behold they were actually one mile out... and cut me off. Sounds like you were cutting him off. Did you scan for traffic? |
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Straight-ins at uncontrolled airports?
Bingo. AC90-66A is current and applicable.
91.126 does not apply because it is limited to "turns" in the traffic pattern, not the approach itself. There should be no turns in a straight in approach and all maneuvering should be performed prior to the traffic pattern. Pay heed to other traffic and 91.111 or 91.113 won't catch you either. Jim "Bob Gardner" wrote in message . .. Advisory Circular 90-66A, Operations at Airports Without an Operating Control Tower, is the reference. It clearly illustrates straight-in approaches to both single and parallel runways. Bob Gardner "Danny Deger" wrote in message ... I haven't flown in a while, but am in the market for a used plane. I recalling hearing somewhere that straight-in approaches are now approved at uncontrolled airports. Is this correct? Danny Deger |
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"Danny Deger" wrote: I haven't flown in a while, but am in the market for a used plane. I recalling hearing somewhere that straight-in approaches are now approved at uncontrolled airports. Is this correct? Danny Deger I prefer the overhead break to the downwind, where you can see other traffic and space yourself accordingly. We do this all the time at Spruce Creek -- especially when flying formation. It gets everybody on the ground fastest. |
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Straight-ins at uncontrolled airports?
"Danny Deger" wrote in message ... I haven't flown in a while, but am in the market for a used plane. I recalling hearing somewhere that straight-in approaches are now approved at uncontrolled airports. Is this correct? Danny Deger As has been pointed out, there is nothing "illegal" about straight in approaches. The issue is whether you are really, really sure you are not disrupting other aircraft operating in the standard pattern. Also, there are people out there in camouflaged Cubs which don't have radios. No matter how many calls you make, they won't hear you. So (hypothetically), your safety could depend on you seeing an aircraft that is very hard to see against certain backgrounds. Alternately, you are depending on the pilot of that airplane (which has poor external pattern visibility) seeing you. From my perspective, traffic patterns are spooky even without people flying non-standard patterns. There is simply no way to be 100% certain you've seen all the traffic. So I do everything I can to increase my chances of seeing everyone else and making sure they see me. That means standard pattern entries... |
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Straight-ins at uncontrolled airports?
I might add, that pilots doing a straight-in landing for Instrument practice, should be sure to announce their intentions and distance.... a lot. Too often I hear something like "Podunk Traffic, Flyswatter 123 inbound VOR-A, passing Bipsy. [Where "BIPSY" or whatever is an inbound instrument waypoint.] Most VFR pilots have no clue what or where these codes and waypoints are. This makes for nasty close calls on the base and final legs. Please always add something like "Ten miles north, straight-in for landing runway 18". Kev On top of all that, what if the instrument approach happens to be downwind, and the pilot never intended to land anyway (planned missed approach)? It makes a real mess of the traffic flow. Does everybody else have to get out of their way? I don't think so. IMHO these folks have no business flying practice approaches if there is any significant traffic at the (uncontrolled) airport in question. |
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