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Flying from North America to Hawaii
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "Al G" wrote: Well, there is the Adak - Midway - Honolulu route. I think the longest leg, Adak/Midway is about 1400nm. It may be showing incorrect results, but the Google Earth product's measuring tool shows the distance from Adak, Ak to Midway Atoll at about 1800 nm. The only other route (not all the intermediate steps worked out!) seems to be: Aleution island chain - Yokohama, Japan - due south to Saipan via another chain of islands - Palikir Island via some other possible smaller island stops - Wake Island - Midway Atoll. The Wake/Midway leg appears to be about 1200 sm or ~1040 nm. A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think my longest solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm. At least coming from the West your odds of a tailwind are improved. Al G |
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"Ron Webb" wrote Come to Alaska first. Then head south from Cold Bay, Ak airport, stop at Midway Island, Then proceed to Kawai' airport on the northernmost of the major Hawaiian islands, and never require a leg more than 1300 miles. If I don't make it, who cares...I'll just land and siphon fuel from the nearest boat;^}- or maybe raise a sail for the last bit... Now let's hear from the flame artists, telling me why it's impossible. No flames from me, but wouldn't you have to have near dead calm conditions, to land in the middle of the ocean, amidst all of the swells? Then, if you do land, would you be able to take off again? Actually, I can just see you raising a mast on top of your airplane, and sailing into the nearest harbor. I would pay money, to see that! g -- Jim in NC |
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"Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "Ron Webb" wrote: Come to Alaska first. Then head south from Cold Bay, Ak airport, stop at Midway Island, Then proceed to Kawai' airport on the northernmost of the major Hawaiian islands, and never require a leg more than 1300 miles. I used Google Earth's measuring tool to get an estimate of the distance from Cold Bay, Ak to Midway Atoll and it measured the distance at about 2000 sm, or ~1700 nm. Just curious, but what charts or tools did you use to establish the 1300 miles estimate? I wonder if Google Earth uses a great circle measuring method? -- Jim in NC |
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Al G wrote:
A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think my longest solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm. I think it would take a massive set of balls to fly a single piston-engined plane anywhere near that far over water. A life raft suitable for saving your ass would be around 50 to 80 pounds that would be needed for fuel. I wouldn't try it in anything smaller than a Lear jet. Your mileage may very but I'm partial to saving my ass... ;o) Tony |
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"Anthony W" wrote in message news:SDCLh.5559$DX5.394@trndny06... Al G wrote: A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think my longest solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm. I think it would take a massive set of balls to fly a single piston-engined plane anywhere near that far over water. A life raft suitable for saving your ass would be around 50 to 80 pounds that would be needed for fuel. I wouldn't try it in anything smaller than a Lear jet. Your mileage may very but I'm partial to saving my ass... ;o) Tony When we first looked at this, we were talking about taking the Lear. It was an old 24B, (pure jets, no fans), and if it could do 1400nm, it would be with a good tailwind, thinking clean thoughts, and NO reserve. Imagine losing a cabin outflow valve or pressurization control about halfway. You'd have to descend to fl240, until you ran out of O2, then 14,000, and then you wouldn't have the fuel to get to land anywhere. Getting out of the lear after ditching would not be easier than a light Cessna. As a recent ferry pilot said: "Sometimes you get wet." Let us not under-rate saving the Pilot's ass. Al G |
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Al G wrote:
When we first looked at this, we were talking about taking the Lear. It was an old 24B, (pure jets, no fans), and if it could do 1400nm, it would be with a good tailwind, thinking clean thoughts, and NO reserve. Imagine losing a cabin outflow valve or pressurization control about halfway. You'd have to descend to fl240, until you ran out of O2, then 14,000, and then you wouldn't have the fuel to get to land anywhere. Getting out of the lear after ditching would not be easier than a light Cessna. As a recent ferry pilot said: "Sometimes you get wet." Let us not under-rate saving the Pilot's ass. Any jet is out of my price range and I was going on hearsay. I'd heard that the Lear would make it on one tank but there's a lot of BS out there... My motto is "a little paranoia is a good thing." I regard saving my ass under that credo... Tony |
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"Anthony W" wrote in message newsfDLh.8495$el3.1278@trndny01... Al G wrote: When we first looked at this, we were talking about taking the Lear. It was an old 24B, (pure jets, no fans), and if it could do 1400nm, it would be with a good tailwind, thinking clean thoughts, and NO reserve. Imagine losing a cabin outflow valve or pressurization control about halfway. You'd have to descend to fl240, until you ran out of O2, then 14,000, and then you wouldn't have the fuel to get to land anywhere. Getting out of the lear after ditching would not be easier than a light Cessna. As a recent ferry pilot said: "Sometimes you get wet." Let us not under-rate saving the Pilot's ass. Any jet is out of my price range and I was going on hearsay. I'd heard that the Lear would make it on one tank but there's a lot of BS out there... My motto is "a little paranoia is a good thing." I regard saving my ass under that credo... Tony Current fanjet Lears will indeed go non-stop, and do it quietly. Some will go a lot farther than Hawaii. Ours was a 1969 Lear 24B, small fuselage, plain vanilla wing, no reversers, big engines, and loud. It was cheaper than other jets and a ball to fly. Did I mention Loud? My motto is "a little paranoia is a good thing." I regard saving my ass under that credo... I concur. Also, I find this more common the older my students get. Al G |
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"Al G" wrote in message ... "Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "Al G" wrote: Well, there is the Adak - Midway - Honolulu route. I think the longest leg, Adak/Midway is about 1400nm. It may be showing incorrect results, but the Google Earth product's measuring tool shows the distance from Adak, Ak to Midway Atoll at about 1800 nm. The only other route (not all the intermediate steps worked out!) seems to be: Aleution island chain - Yokohama, Japan - due south to Saipan via another chain of islands - Palikir Island via some other possible smaller island stops - Wake Island - Midway Atoll. The Wake/Midway leg appears to be about 1200 sm or ~1040 nm. A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think my longest solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm. At least coming from the West your odds of a tailwind are improved. Al G \ The mainland to Hilo flight has been done many times in single engine light planes. You need about 25 hours of fuel depending on your risk tolerance. There are absolutely no enroute landing options except the sea. I know a pilot who flew a Piper Archer from San Diego Lindburg to Hilo on the big island. He stripped the aircraft of anything not absolutely needed and shipped the parts. Then he installed a big fuel cell where the rear seat was. This put him about 300 pounds over gross. His flight plan was to depart in late summer in hopes of contacting easterly tradewinds in the 25 - 30 degree north latitude range. He liked Lindburg as a departure point since the runway is long, at sea level and ends at the water. Its also about about 32 north so the trades aren't far south. He would be flying in ground effect until he burned off a few hundred pounds of fuel, then he would climb as neccessary to maintain wide open throttle at best L/D IAS. In those days, his main long range navigation aid was an ADF and sometimes LORAN C. Once a few hundred miles at sea he could pick up AM radio stations in HI. He was asked about flying a single that far over water. His answer was, "If I thought the engine might quit in the next 24 hours, I wouldn't fly it over land". Bill Daniels |
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"Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:
He was asked about flying a single that far over water. His answer was, "If I thought the engine might quit in the next 24 hours, I wouldn't fly it over land". Gotta admit, that puts it in a new perspective for me... makes a certain fatalistic type of sense. Mark "wonder if I can swim halfway" Hickey |
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Morgans wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "Ron Webb" wrote: Come to Alaska first. Then head south from Cold Bay, Ak airport, stop at Midway Island, Then proceed to Kawai' airport on the northernmost of the major Hawaiian islands, and never require a leg more than 1300 miles. I used Google Earth's measuring tool to get an estimate of the distance from Cold Bay, Ak to Midway Atoll and it measured the distance at about 2000 sm, or ~1700 nm. Just curious, but what charts or tools did you use to establish the 1300 miles estimate? I wonder if Google Earth uses a great circle measuring method? I was wondering who was going to pick up on that... Way to go Morg. |
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