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Global Warming The debbil made me do it
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote: mariposas rand mair fheal wrote in : In article , Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote in news:05dd3a97-b32b-4013-bdbb-0a6ab4e374d8 @f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com: On Mar 7, 11:58 am, "Dan Luke" wrote: "Denny" wrote: Oh brother... Unless you haven't notice, there is no stasis in the Earth's climate, So? do you mean stasis or hystersis because there is hystersis in the climate Really? That anything like the lapse rate? mostly its the amount of heat stored in the deep ocean and then composition of gasses in the atmosphere arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins nobody could do that much decoupage without calling on the powers of darkness |
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Global Warming The debbil made me do it
mariposas rand mair fheal wrote in
: In article , Bertie the Bunyip wrote: mariposas rand mair fheal wrote in : In article , Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote in news:05dd3a97-b32b-4013-bdbb-0a6ab4e374d8 @f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com: On Mar 7, 11:58 am, "Dan Luke" wrote: "Denny" wrote: Oh brother... Unless you haven't notice, there is no stasis in the Earth's climate, So? do you mean stasis or hystersis because there is hystersis in the climate Really? That anything like the lapse rate? mostly its the amount of heat stored in the deep ocean and then composition of gasses in the atmosphere Oops., sorry, I thought you wrote hysteria. Bertie |
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Global Warming The debbil made me do it
On Mar 7, 3:56 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote : On Mar 7, 3:39 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote in news:50479332-f8aa-444e-b004- : On Mar 7, 2:05 pm, "Dan Luke" wrote: IOW, don't confuse you with facts. Fine. -- Dan Ok.. facts. 20 foot sea level rise based on which incontrovertible evidence? There's no such thing as incotrovetible evidence. Will we have a 10 foot rise in 50 years? 5 feet in 25? Sorry, I'm not buying the sleight of hand that is the "Climate Change" crisis of the moment. Great, stick a gun in your nmouth and play russian roullette, bjust don't expect to try snd take me with you without a fight. We had far warmer temperatures earlier in our history, and far colder. But true believers in a religious cause can't be "convinced." I know. Bertie You seriously believe all the alarmist noise? All the alarmist noise? Seriously -- what are you expecting to happen? That people wil continue to pump **** into the atmospehre nad sea until they break it. Even the True Believers have downplayed Al Gore's outrageous predictions (such as sea level rise of 20 feet in 100 years). "When Michael Crichton said that 'Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled,' he was right. When it comes to the natural sciences consensus is not science, and science is not consensus." Oh well, if Michael Chrichton said it. Jesus wept. Now, about the work "belief" I don't "believe" anything. I can see evidence and can see the logical result according to the best information available. Believers generally start with a need and use the belief to fill it. Religion is the best example of course, and one of the reasons that people get so riled up about it is investment. And generaly a pretty short sighted and narrow view of the investment to boot. So, no, I don't believe it, I just see it as a likely consequence based on my best understanding of the sciences involved. I have no investment and I'm not crying about the sky falling. How about you? Bertie I'm gonna be crying if the tax burden increases over 50% to fund more bureaucracy. How about you? Dan |
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Global Warming The debbil made me do it
Dan wrote in
: On Mar 7, 3:56 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote innews:b7d4582d-0a7f-4295-a2f4-8581da9e7b05 @x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.c om: On Mar 7, 3:39 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote in news:50479332-f8aa-444e-b004- : On Mar 7, 2:05 pm, "Dan Luke" wrote: IOW, don't confuse you with facts. Fine. -- Dan Ok.. facts. 20 foot sea level rise based on which incontrovertible evidence? There's no such thing as incotrovetible evidence. Will we have a 10 foot rise in 50 years? 5 feet in 25? Sorry, I'm not buying the sleight of hand that is the "Climate Change" crisis of the moment. Great, stick a gun in your nmouth and play russian roullette, bjust don't expect to try snd take me with you without a fight. We had far warmer temperatures earlier in our history, and far colder. But true believers in a religious cause can't be "convinced." I know. Bertie You seriously believe all the alarmist noise? All the alarmist noise? Seriously -- what are you expecting to happen? That people wil continue to pump **** into the atmospehre nad sea until they break it. Even the True Believers have downplayed Al Gore's outrageous predictions (such as sea level rise of 20 feet in 100 years). "When Michael Crichton said that 'Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled,' he was right. When it comes to the natural sciences consensus is not science, and science is not consensus." Oh well, if Michael Chrichton said it. Jesus wept. Now, about the work "belief" I don't "believe" anything. I can see evidence and can see the logical result according to the best information available. Believers generally start with a need and use the belief to fill it. Religion is the best example of course, and one of the reasons that people get so riled up about it is investment. And generaly a pretty short sighted and narrow view of the investment to boot. So, no, I don't believe it, I just see it as a likely consequence based on my best understanding of the sciences involved. I have no investment and I'm not crying about the sky falling. How about you? Bertie I'm gonna be crying if the tax burden increases over 50% to fund more bureaucracy. Non sequitor and this shows you have little conviction in your argument if that's your bottom line. IOW, you're not interested in anything but your wallet. How about you? Nope. I live for beurocracy. I'd rather it go to them than spend it on leisure pursuits, in fact. Bertie |
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Global Warming The debbil made me do it
On Mar 7, 4:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:4e7e8669-0788-4ab0-920b- : Sorry to cloud your thinking, but here are the facts you desired. Unfortunately they don't square with your preposterous claims or 20' sea level rise. FACT: The National Academy of Sciences reported in 2001 that, "Because of the large and still uncertain level of natural variability inherent in the climate record and the uncertainties in the time histories of the various forcing agents...a causal linkage between the buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the observed climate changes during the 20th century cannot be unequivocally established." It also noted that 20 years' worth of data is not long enough to estimate long- term trends. FACT: Predictions of 6°C temperature rises over the next 100 years are at the extreme end of the IPCC range (read the report). FACT: Both James Hansen of NASA--the father of greenhouse theory--and Richard Lindzen of MIT--the most renowned climatologist in the world-- agree that, even if nothing is done to restrict greenhouse gases, the world will only see a global temperature increase of about 1°C in the next 50-100 years. Hansen and his colleagues "predict additional warming in the next 50 years of 0.5 ± 0.2°C, a warming rate of 0.1 ± 0.04°C per decade." FACT: No one has provided data that conclusively links human activity to the temperature rise of 0.6 C over 100 years. FACT: No one has proven a causal link between CO2 and global temperatures. It may be a cause, but is more likely an effect. You won't be convinced and this pile of faulty reasoning and defective argument isn;t going to convince me.. .... Bertie No problem. I'd rather be flying, anyway. Dan |
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Global Warming The debbil made me do it
On Mar 7, 4:09 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Nope. I live for beurocracy. I'd rather it go to them than spend it on leisure pursuits, in fact. Bertie Work for the DMV, do ya? Dan |
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Global Warming The debbil made me do it
Dan wrote in news:9895dc21-7353-4d22-bba4-b038d827a648
@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: On Mar 7, 4:09 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Nope. I live for beurocracy. I'd rather it go to them than spend it on leisure pursuits, in fact. Bertie Work for the DMV, do ya? Nope. Bertie |
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Global Warming The debbil made me do it
Dan wrote in news:d49cb264-ceb4-4ade-8d79-38725f282125@
13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: On Mar 7, 4:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote in news:4e7e8669-0788-4ab0-920b- : Sorry to cloud your thinking, but here are the facts you desired. Unfortunately they don't square with your preposterous claims or 20' sea level rise. FACT: The National Academy of Sciences reported in 2001 that, "Because of the large and still uncertain level of natural variability inherent in the climate record and the uncertainties in the time histories of the various forcing agents...a causal linkage between the buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the observed climate changes during the 20th century cannot be unequivocally established." It also noted that 20 years' worth of data is not long enough to estimate long- term trends. FACT: Predictions of 6°C temperature rises over the next 100 years are at the extreme end of the IPCC range (read the report). FACT: Both James Hansen of NASA--the father of greenhouse theory--and Richard Lindzen of MIT--the most renowned climatologist in the world-- agree that, even if nothing is done to restrict greenhouse gases, the world will only see a global temperature increase of about 1°C in the next 50-100 years. Hansen and his colleagues "predict additional warming in the next 50 years of 0.5 ± 0.2°C, a warming rate of 0.1 ± 0.04°C per decade." FACT: No one has provided data that conclusively links human activity to the temperature rise of 0.6 C over 100 years. FACT: No one has proven a causal link between CO2 and global temperatures. It may be a cause, but is more likely an effect. You won't be convinced and this pile of faulty reasoning and defective argument isn;t going to convince me.. .... Bertie No problem. I'd rather be flying, anyway. It's possible to do both. Bertie |
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Global Warming The debbil made me do it
gatt wrote:
someday Detroit will be crushed by ice and ground into sand. -c and it won't be a moment too soon. sorry, spent much of my prior life there. ya'll can go back to your "Aviation" discussion. -- Message posted via AviationKB.com http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums...ation/200803/1 |
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Global Warming The debbil made me do it
On Mar 7, 4:18 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
No problem. I'd rather be flying, anyway. It's possible to do both. Bertie What's that? Worry about Global warming and fly? Honestly -- one of the appeals of flying is that I can concentrate on something else, often completely. It's refreshing. Like a Junior Mint. Dan |
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