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ATC CONTROLLER HIRING PUSH CREATES CLASS STRUGGLE
Chris W writes:
I can't think of a less relevant still than the ability to spell, as an indicator as to how good someone may be at programming. Language ability, including and especially vocabulary and spelling ability, are fairly strongly correlated with general intelligence. If you can give only a one-item test to a candidate to assess intelligence, a vocabulary test is a fairly good choice. I have found that the best programmers are not poor spellers. Spelling and programming are not directly related, but both are partially a function of intelligence, and higher intelligence usually leads to better spelling and better programming ability, and vice versa. Programmers with poor written communication skills are usually at the lower end of the skills curve. They can code stuff quickly and it usually kinda sorta works, but they may not be suited to the most critical programming tasks. That said, someone who doesn't know how to use, as well as understand the limitations of, a spell checker, is bound to be a pretty pathetic programmer. Quite so. But if he needs a spell checker for everything, that may be a bad sign as well. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Chris W writes: I can't think of a less relevant still than the ability to spell, as an indicator as to how good someone may be at programming. Language ability, including and especially vocabulary and spelling ability, are fairly strongly correlated with general intelligence. If you can give only a one-item test to a candidate to assess intelligence, a vocabulary test is a fairly good choice. I have found that the best programmers are not poor spellers. Spelling and programming are not directly related, but both are partially a function of intelligence, and higher intelligence usually leads to better spelling and better programming ability, and vice versa. Programmers with poor written communication skills are usually at the lower end of the skills curve. They can code stuff quickly and it usually kinda sorta works, but they may not be suited to the most critical programming tasks. That said, someone who doesn't know how to use, as well as understand the limitations of, a spell checker, is bound to be a pretty pathetic programmer. Quite so. But if he needs a spell checker for everything, that may be a bad sign as well. I know some very bright and highly paid software engineers that can't communicate worth a crap. Of course, one of them built their own cable descrambler at home but wouldn't be able to tell you how to. Probably wouldn't even greet you when they saw you just because they don't think of those things. Is there a Microsoft Human Resource simulator, too? |
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ATC CONTROLLER HIRING PUSH CREATES CLASS STRUGGLE
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Language ability, including and especially vocabulary and spelling ability, are fairly strongly correlated with general intelligence. If you can give only a one-item test to a candidate to assess intelligence, a vocabulary test is a fairly good choice. I have found that the best programmers are not poor spellers. Spelling and programming are not directly related, but both are partially a function of intelligence, and higher intelligence usually leads to better spelling and better programming ability, and vice versa. Programmers with poor written communication skills are usually at the lower end of the skills curve. They can code stuff quickly and it usually kinda sorta works, but they may not be suited to the most critical programming tasks. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt! |
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"Chris W" wrote in message
The only exception would be if you need a people that can jump into a project as quickly as possible. This is my unenviable position. I have been able to identify a few candidates that are more junior that we can mentor and train, but most of the folks I bring on are expected to be productive in very short order which means I don't have time to let them learn the technology. -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/blogs/TknoFlyer Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://openspf.org ____________________ |
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"Kev" wrote in message
ups.com We're also looking for people who can spell grin, which is rare these days. No kidding. I've rejected resumes simply due to an apparent inability for the candidate to run spell- and grammar checks on their resume. If they're not willing to pay attention to detail on that, I shudder to think how much they'll give the code they write. -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/blogs/TknoFlyer Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://openspf.org ____________________ |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
I suspect, that military ATC controllers are not required to possess a college degree. Perhaps that's where the impetus for FAA dropping the requirement stems. Just a quick scan shows the Navy requires only a high school diploma. From http://www.thetracon.com/atcjobs.htm#military: " US Navy REQUIRED: High school graduate less than 34 years of age, Flying Class III Physical, No Speech Impediment, Must be a U.S. Citizen. " I didn't bother checking the other services, but I suspect they're similar. -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/blogs/TknoFlyer Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://openspf.org ____________________ |
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for some more insight look at
http://www.faafollies.com/ and http://themainbang.typepad.com/ ATO is not a happy place. "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... Here's the FAA Air Traffic Control Workforce Plan web site: http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...ffing/#Scene_1 You can watch a lengthy video (closed caption) of the Administrator and others talking on the subject, as well as a graph vindicating FAA of not meeting the ATC staffing requirements. |
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On May 2, 12:08 pm, Chris W wrote:
Chris W wrote: I can't think of a less relevant still than the ability to spell, as an indicator as to how good someone may be at programming. That said, someone who doesn't know how to use, as well as understand the limitations of, a spell checker, is bound to be a pretty pathetic programmer. I have no idea how that T got where the K should have been.... must have been a keyboard anomaly Ah, it's okay. It's one of the first rules of the Internet, that anyone who writes about spelling or grammar is guaranteed to have at least one mistake in their posting. Nevr fales ;-) Kev |
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On May 2, 9:28 pm, "John T" wrote:
"Kev" wrote in message We're also looking for people who can spell grin, which is rare these days. No kidding. I've rejected resumes simply due to an apparent inability for the candidate to run spell- and grammar checks on their resume. If they're not willing to pay attention to detail on that, I shudder to think how much they'll give the code they write. Kids not only can't spell these days, they use tons of text-messaging abbreviations that drive us nuts in formal emails. Ah well, in a few decades more, dinosaurs like us won't matter. At the same time, I have to add that some of the best programmers I've ever known, were also dyslexic. They would make us crazy with variables like "_reslut" instead of "_result". Even if you pointed it out, they really couldn't see the mistake. Anyway, we just let it go most of the time. Cheers, Kev |
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Erik writes:
I know some very bright and highly paid software engineers that can't communicate worth a crap. I don't. Usually these are people who a particular skill that they've developed through personal interest and motivation, but they are not exceptionally bright overall. There's a tendency to assume that someone who excels in a specific technical domain must be more intelligent than average, but this is not necessarily so. The brightest engineers I have known were also good communicators, written and spoken. But you don't have to be a genius to be good at programming. Is there a Microsoft Human Resource simulator, too? Not that I'm aware of. FWIW, Microsoft has long placed a strong emphasis on general intelligence in employee selection, which is one of the reasons for its success. Which reminds me: Lately I've been surprised at the poor writing quality in official FAA documents. The AIM used "confliction," which is not a word. I guess nobody proofs them, or the proofreaders are just as incompetent in English as the writers. People feel compelled to "write smart" when writing official documents, and often they get in over their heads. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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