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All but a few perfect pilots have made such a mistake. Don't worry
about it, but try not to do it again. -- Gene Seibel Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html Because I fly, I envy no one. Anyway, he never asked me to "call the tower" or anything. I am wondering if I am in trouble? Should I file that nasa form? I talked to my instructor and was told it was no big deal since they never asked me to call the tower and did not mention any action would be taken, but I still concerned. Should I be worried? Others been in this situation? thanks. PS: posted this in the student newgroup too so others can learn. When in ANY DOUBT, ASK! |
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"Nasir" wrote in message . com... | | I had done a stop and go during my long x-country and while departing out of | the class D, I requested permission to change frequency. I was rather | bluntly told that I dont need permission. No, you do not need permission. It is courteous to inform the tower that you are changing frequencies. The guy who barked at you is a jerk. He will not be the last one of those you will run into, either. |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Experience is what enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. George Patterson You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud. An expert is an individual who has made every possible mistake in a very narrow field of inquiry --Niels Bohr |
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"Nasir" wrote in message .com...
I had done a stop and go during my long x-country and while departing out of the class D, I requested permission to change frequency. I was rather bluntly told that I dont need permission. I think in the back of my mind, that little exchange was still in the back of my mind and maybe I partly felt unncessary to bother the controller with my taxi request. Ah! The solution here is remember something one of my first CFIs told me. There is no room for three people in the cockpit of a two-person plane. Keep the controller OUT of the cockpit. If you get your butt chewed out by a controller, it doesn't necessarily mean you have done a thing wrong. You could have; or the controller could have; or, the controller could be having a bad day and taking it out on you. Keep the controller out of your head and out of your plane and move on. On the ground, assess the situation and figure out what happened and how to do better in future, but don't let the fear of being chewed out change your behavior. Cheers, Sydney |
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...
"Nasir" wrote in message . com... | | I had done a stop and go during my long x-country and while departing out of | the class D, I requested permission to change frequency. I was rather | bluntly told that I dont need permission. No, you do not need permission. It is courteous to inform the tower that you are changing frequencies. The guy who barked at you is a jerk. He will not be the last one of those you will run into, either. Just to clarify. If you are still within the boundaries of the class D, then you do need permission. Once outside the class D boundary, no permission or other communication is required. My local tower has requested that pilots "go quietly" from the class D and not request frequency change unless they are still within the class D boundary. It cuts down on unnecessary radio clutter during busy periods. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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Joe Johnson wrote: An expert is an individual who has made every possible mistake in a very narrow field of inquiry Ex - a prefix indicating that you don't do this anymore. Spurt - a drip under pressure. Expert - a former drip under pressure. George Patterson You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud. |
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Realize that there are always going to be some crabby controllers mixed in with a lot of good ones. Never take their attitude personally, for you could be the pinnacle of comm radio excellence and still get barked at by a controller having a bad day/life. Its amazing to me the number of controllers that have no aviation experience outside of their jobs. This isn't to say that they are bad controllers because of it. But, just like its good for pilots to visit the tower to see how ATC works (can you still do that post-9/11?), I wonder how much training the ATC folks get on "our" side of the fence. My father was a PATCO controller (pre-Reagan firing) and he was in the minority in that he had his PPL. |
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At RAF Shawbury when I picked up my plane from the RAF,
I got everything ready, started the engine, then made contact with the tower. Tower asked me then to "report ready for engine start"...oops! Paul "Gene Seibel" wrote in message om... All but a few perfect pilots have made such a mistake. Don't worry about it, but try not to do it again. |
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"Jeff Franks" wrote in message ... My father was a PATCO controller (pre-Reagan firing) and he was in the minority in that he had his PPL. Yep, such is the nature of things. I saw a similar thing with ER docs and Paramedics. Frequently neither new anything of the other's roles other than what was in the official protocols (and sometimes a poor understanding of that). I happened to be working in the ER one day when some intern was standing their exasperated doing a cardiac consult with a unit in the field. "I don't know what more they expect me to do for this patient." I pointed out that they wanted her to tell them they could stop treatment on a dead patient. Our protocols don't allow paramedics to discontinue treatment ONCE it is started on our own authority. |
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In article ,
"Paul Sengupta" wrote: At RAF Shawbury when I picked up my plane from the RAF, I got everything ready, started the engine, then made contact with the tower. Tower asked me then to "report ready for engine start"...oops! Paul "Gene Seibel" wrote in message om... All but a few perfect pilots have made such a mistake. Don't worry about it, but try not to do it again. Yes -- a lot of countries -- European, especially, have the req to contact tower BEFORE engine start! It is a really stupid reg, and can play real havoc with the electronics, if you have a voltage spike due to releasing the starter button after the engine fires. This req epitomizes the stupidity of non-aviators making the rules! |
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