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"Mike Rapoport" writes:
"Javier Henderson" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" writes: "Javier Henderson" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" writes: I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including: Certification issues Availible engineering resources Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and upgrading them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are just sitting on their hands. My cynical view is different. Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80. Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition. WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um... That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming up with new things to sell you. Assuming they make money on those $1500 upgrades... True. I suspect that if you take out the developement costs (which they would incur anyway), that they will make some (perhaps not much) money. So going back a few years, did Garmin really intend to produce a WAAS upgrade, or was it vaporware to fend off competition? And since said competition is gone... -jav |
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"Javier Henderson" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" writes: "Javier Henderson" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" writes: "Javier Henderson" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" writes: I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including: Certification issues Availible engineering resources Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and upgrading them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are just sitting on their hands. My cynical view is different. Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80. Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition. WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um... That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming up with new things to sell you. Assuming they make money on those $1500 upgrades... True. I suspect that if you take out the developement costs (which they would incur anyway), that they will make some (perhaps not much) money. So going back a few years, did Garmin really intend to produce a WAAS upgrade, or was it vaporware to fend off competition? And since said competition is gone... -jav At the time nobody knew what the TSO would look like and what would be required. I think that it has turned out to be more difficult to meet the 146 standard than anyone would have thought. Mike MU-2 |
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"Roy Page" wrote in message k.net... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message k.net... "Javier Henderson" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" writes: I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including: Certification issues Availible engineering resources Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and upgrading them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are just sitting on their hands. My cynical view is different. Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80. Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition. WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um... -jav That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming up with new things to sell you. Mike MU-2 Yes, I agree that Garmin will make more money by selling something new. Why bother with upgrading the 430 when the 480 is selling and is so much better ? I think they will finish the engineering of the G1000 related stuff and they will announce a complete new box making 430's and 480's obsolete. In modern day digital terms, the 430 is yesterday's CPU. Why bother retrofitting it with a maths co-processor ? -- Roy N5804F - On old PA28-181 Piper Archer II with steam gages ! When you think about the retrofit market, the form factor and functionality are pretty much fixed. The box has to be 6.25" wide. It has to have VHF radio functionality. I needs VOR/LOC/GS. It needs a color screen. It needs to be able to control (and display) other boxes for weather/entertainment/traffic ect. So at the end of the day, whatever you do, it is going to look a lot like a 530. Todays CPU is a lot like yesterdays CPU, it just runs faster, has more memory and more bells and whistles. Mike MU-2 |
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Andrew,
And while we're at it: What about terrain for the 430 and/or the 530? -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message news "Roy Page" wrote in message k.net... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message k.net... "Javier Henderson" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" writes: I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including: Certification issues Availible engineering resources Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and upgrading them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are just sitting on their hands. My cynical view is different. Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80. Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition. WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um... -jav That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming up with new things to sell you. Mike MU-2 Yes, I agree that Garmin will make more money by selling something new. Why bother with upgrading the 430 when the 480 is selling and is so much better ? I think they will finish the engineering of the G1000 related stuff and they will announce a complete new box making 430's and 480's obsolete. In modern day digital terms, the 430 is yesterday's CPU. Why bother retrofitting it with a maths co-processor ? -- Roy N5804F - On old PA28-181 Piper Archer II with steam gages ! When you think about the retrofit market, the form factor and functionality are pretty much fixed. The box has to be 6.25" wide. It has to have VHF radio functionality. I needs VOR/LOC/GS. It needs a color screen. It needs to be able to control (and display) other boxes for weather/entertainment/traffic ect. So at the end of the day, whatever you do, it is going to look a lot like a 530. Todays CPU is a lot like yesterdays CPU, it just runs faster, has more memory and more bells and whistles. Mike MU-2 Yes it will look something like, and take the place of, a 480/430/530. However, with technical *advances* the marketing boys will present it as today's CPU, the box we all must have. -- Roy N5804F - PA28-181 Piper Archer II with steam gages. |
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Mike Rapoport wrote:
When you think about the retrofit market, the form factor and functionality are pretty much fixed. The box has to be 6.25" wide. It has to have VHF radio functionality. I needs VOR/LOC/GS. It needs a color screen. It needs to be able to control (and display) other boxes for weather/entertainment/traffic ect. So at the end of the day, whatever you do, it is going to look a lot like a 530. It looks a lot like my 480 does today :-) I'm getting more an more impressed with this box every hour I fly behind it. GPS Steering is way cool. |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
And while we're at it: What about terrain for the 430 and/or the 530? I thought that certified terrain for the 530, and noncertified for the 430, were already available. No? - Andrew |
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Andrew,
I thought that certified terrain for the 530, and noncertified for the 430, were already available. No? Would be news to me. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Andrew, I thought that certified terrain for the 530, and noncertified for the 430, were already available. No? Would be news to me. http://www.garmin.com/pressroom/aviation/120104.html discusses certification for the 530. An early announcement of this feature for both 430 and 530, with a schedule of availability (from Garmin, so keep that salt grain handy {8^) is at: http://www.garmin.com/pressroom/aviation/060403.html The best bet is to call and ask. Let us know what you find, please. I spoke to someone at Garmin late last year, I believe, when release of terrain for both was just weeks away. Whether it actually occurred, though... - Andrew |
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Thomas Borchert writes:
Andrew, I thought that certified terrain for the 530, and noncertified for the 430, were already available. No? Would be news to me. TAWS has been available for the 530 for a bit, actually. -jav |
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