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"George Z. Bush" wrote
"D. Strang" wrote I served in the military, and I was in both the Infantry, and a crewmember in the USAF. I retired in 1993 after 25 years. I spent 8 years in the Iran-Iraq war,..... You spent it doing what, and on which side....Iran or Iraq? AFAIK, our only involvement in that war was that we taught Saddam Hussein's army how to use chemical weapons, and we shared intelligence data with them that we'd gathered about our joint enemy, Iran. So what were you doing during those eight years, teaching them how to use mustard gas? The USAF flew 24 hour orbits for 8 years using RC-135, E-3, and Naval assets in the Gulf. The mission was to protect the Saudi oil fields. Later we also had the Earnest Will operation, which was the Kuwait reflagging, and war with Iran. .....and witnessed the attack on the U.S.S. Stark. How did you happen to witness that attack? Surely, not from your vantage point in your infantry foxhole, so it must have been from your airplane. How about filling us in on how you happened to see it? I transferred to the USAF in 1978 after I got my Masters degree. We tracked the Iraqi pilot as he entered the Gulf, until he returned to Iraq. We also tracked his Exocet to the Stark using radar. .....I spent my last years on active duty in the air war that ejected Iraq from Kuwait, I think the half million or so ground troops we committed to kicking the Iraqis out of Kuwait would take exception to your conclusion that the air war had accomplished that all by itself. I expect that Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf might also have had a few things to say on the subject by way of argument. I'm talking about my little world, not the whole military force. Of course we didn't personally eject anyone. .....and two years of wasting our treasury on containing Iraq. For 24 years we fought that country, and millions of Iraqis, and Iranians died. 24 years? How about the time we were helping Iraq deal with their Iranian neighbors during their 8 year old war, which was right in the middle of the 24 years you're talking about? During those 8 years, my only mission was to protect the oil fields. I don't have any personal knowledge, other then tactics against airborne threats out of Iran, Iraq, or the Soviet Union. You know, a lot of us have problems remember details of things we've done and said in the past, and it isn't a crime to have to admit it. But if you expect to have any credibility in this forum, you're going to need to do a little more homework and get your facts right before you start mouthing off with a lot of erroneous BS. I probably wouldn't have had any questions to ask you at all if you hadn't tossed such obvious bloopers out there for us rubes to swallow hook, line, and sinker. Take a pill. |
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"D. Strang" wrote in message news:L1EJc.2303$Zr.120@okepread01... "George Z. Bush" wrote "D. Strang" wrote You know, a lot of us have problems remember details of things we've done and said in the past, and it isn't a crime to have to admit it. But if you expect to have any credibility in this forum, you're going to need to do a little more homework and get your facts right before you start mouthing off with a lot of erroneous BS. I probably wouldn't have had any questions to ask you at all if you hadn't tossed such obvious bloopers out there for us rubes to swallow hook, line, and sinker. Take a pill. What for? You threw those bloopers out there.....I didn't say that we swallowed them. Besides, I'm not the one looking for credibility....you're the one with that problem, so you take the pill. George Z. |
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HOWEVER, another case heard by the court did address the exact same
substantive issue raised in Padilla and that ruling upheld habeas, thus mooting the substantive issue in Padilla. So, your characterisation was, to say the least, inaccurate. The USSC handed America a great victory that day. -- Not when a citizen --any citizen-- is denied due process. Padilla is the benchmark case because he is an American citizen arrested in America at a time when the courts could operate freely. Hamdi (the other case) was arrested in Afghanistan. This issue alone is enough to toss Bush and his sorry crew. Walt |
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Two former commanders of Central Command.
And your point is? The don't lean to the left. They were trained to carry out military strategy based on United State government policy. Which under the Bush administration has been riven with dereliction of duity, per General Zinni. David Hackworth has also used the word dereliction. People need to wake up. Bush is the worst president ever. Walt |
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Regnirps wrote:
(Fred the Red Shirt) wrote: Do you seriously expect us to beleive that people are emailing YOU to tell you what they think of Walt? Uhm, this is a mail list. Are you reading it off the web page? Are you saying that some cretin is republishing these rec.aviation.military usenet articles in an email list? He can be sued for that, in some places. |
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Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:
Regnirps wrote: (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote: Do you seriously expect us to beleive that people are emailing YOU to tell you what they think of Walt? Uhm, this is a mail list. Are you reading it off the web page? Are you saying that some cretin is republishing these rec.aviation.military usenet articles in an email list? Oops. I tend to read my mail lists and newsgroups at the same time. The way they read and the way I respond works the same. Never mind. -- Charlie Springer |
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