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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
On 1 Jul 2006 11:40:09 -0700
"Jordan" wrote: snip wank and flame fest material This is off topic for soc.history.what-if as this is present/future not past related. -- Lyn David Thomas |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
dontcowerfromthetruth wrote: Keep in mind (when reading the following) that Syria has supposedly made some sort of defense pact with Iran. So is attacking Damascus the way the Zionists will expand the war for Israel to Syria and Iran next (in accordance with the 'A Clean Break' agenda that esteemed intelligence writer/author James Bamford discusses on pages 261-269/321 of his 'A Pretext for War' book - see the URL about such included after the following) as Bush and Cheney have already said that the US would come to Israel's aid if Israel is attacked which will most likely happen if Israel gets into it with Syria and Iran: Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?: http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=34399 Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus By Hakan Isayev, Cihan News Agency, Cairo Published: Friday, June 30, 2006 zaman.com Israel holds Khaled Mashal, the leader of Hamas' Syrian branch, responsible for the abduction of two Israeli soldiers and wants Syria to expel Palestinian leaders from the country. Israel threatened to kill Hamas militants based in Damascus. Al-Jazeera television said Public Security Minister Avi Dichter claimed they knew the locations of HAMAS and Islamic Jihad leaders in Syria and will not hesitate to kill them. Justice Minister Chaim Ramon said, "The leader of Al Qaeda, Meshal is a terrorist of the worst kind, and the international community must exert pressure on Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to expel Meshal from Syria." Ramon claimed Meshaal gave the order for abduction and is now a target for assassination. Syrian security forces said they tightened the security measures to protect the HAMAS leader. Israeli army said yesterday they carried out a low-altitude flight over the palace of Syrian President Bashar Assad in Latakia, in northwestern Syria. Syrian sources reported that they fired at two Israeli planes flying over Syrian air space. Related News: Israel Arrests Palestine Parliamentarians Israel Detains 90 Palestinian Politicians Israeli warplanes buzz Syrian president: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ier/index.html Next step of 'A Clean Break' (attacking Syria and then Iran via Lebanon) - read what Bamford wrote on pages 261-269 of his 'A Pretext for War' book by scrolling down to such at the following URL: 'A Clean Break' (scroll down to pages 261-269 of from James Bamford's ' A Pretext for War' book at the following URL): http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0...ic.php?t=28769 Mearsheimer/Walt on NPR discussing pro-Israel lobby http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/06/06/21.php#11074 Dennis Ross (who is associated with AIPAC) was also interviewed in the above NPR program with John Mearsheimer as Ross was also nailed for being an AIPAC hack for Israel via the following URLs: http://www.IRmep.org/jm.wmv The Gorilla in the Room is US Support for Israel http://representativepress.blogspot....pport-for.html Professor Spiegel (who was on the NPR program with Mearsheimer referenced above) of UCLA had his class appear before the Syrian Ambassador to the USA as conveyed via the following URL (the Syrian Ambassador responded to the question/comment about the 'A Clean Break'/war for Israel agenda): Syrian Ambassador Calls for Comprehensive Peace Settlement in the Middle East http://www.international.ucla.edu/ar...parentid=25567 Additional at following URL: http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=36041 Listen to Ali Abunimah via the following 'Democracy Now' segment: http://www.democracynow.org/article..../06/28/1421222 US Support for Israel PRIMARY MOTIVATION for tragic World Trade Center attacks in 1993 and on 9/11 as well: http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=39590 http://nomorewarforisrael.blogspot.com Normally I would avoid a thread like this- but this is too much. Israel has a nuclear weapons. No nuclear armed state can be destroyed. They have nukes. In a war with Syria- if the Syrians send ground troops into Israel, and they aren't immediately destroyed, and if (and this is a big if) they managed to threaten Israel exsistence, Israel can turn Damascus into a parking lot. No matter what the street wants, Syria, Iran, Egypt, or any coalition of Arab powers are ever going to fight Israel. It would ammount to sucide. |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
Lyn David Thomas wrote:
On 1 Jul 2006 11:40:09 -0700 "Jordan" wrote: snip wank and flame fest material This is off topic for soc.history.what-if as this is present/future not past related. Jordan is s.h.w-i. If the regulars do not ignore why should anyone else? -- Extrajudicial killing is another term for cold blooded murder. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3666 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml environmentalism http://www.giwersworld.org/environment/aehb.phtml a9 |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
Big Red wrote:
Normally I would avoid a thread like this- but this is too much. Israel has a nuclear weapons. No nuclear armed state can be destroyed. They have nukes. In a war with Syria- if the Syrians send ground troops into Israel, and they aren't immediately destroyed, and if (and this is a big if) they managed to threaten Israel exsistence, Israel can turn Damascus into a parking lot. No matter what the street wants, Syria, Iran, Egypt, or any coalition of Arab powers are ever going to fight Israel. It would ammount to sucide. Which is wise but regulars insisted on making this thread happened is s.h.w-i. Israelis are so professionally (but not really) paranoid that it proclaims a child throwing a stone at a tank a threat to its existence and then murders the child for it with a sniper a few days later. Not because he did it but because the picture of throwing the stone was caught on camera. Palestinians are not permitted to have role models. -- The good thing about the Hamas win in Palestine is the US stopped pushing for democratic elections in Syria. The only way to get sense into a neocon is with a two by four. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3639 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml antisemitism http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/ a1 |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Israelis are so professionally (but not really) paranoid that it proclaims a child throwing a stone at a tank a threat to its existence and then murders the child for it with a sniper a few days later. Not because he did it but because the picture of throwing the stone was caught on camera. Palestinians are not permitted to have role models. Yes they are. Corpses dead six months. If the Isrealis don't kill a Palestinean then a thug from a rival gang will. Actually more Palestineans are killed by other Palestineans than by Israelis. As the late Abba Eban once said: Palestineans never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Bob Kolker |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Andrew Venor wrote: Matt Giwer wrote: Jordan wrote: Dean A. Markley wrote: Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb. True. The advantage of hitting Damascus, though, especially if it's repeated and especially if collateral damage kills some rich Damascene civilians, is that it brings home to Syria that there could be a _big_ personal cost, felt by the Syrian ruling elite, for supporting attacks on Israel. Heck, I think that Israel should _target_ Assad, and then others in the Syrian leadership, in the hopes of making that country collapse into civil war as the hyena-like survivors struggle for supremacy. The Syrian elite has spent a good deal of the last few decades causing chaos in Lebanon and death everywhere abroad. Let them have a taste of what it's like, at home. Couldn't happen to a nicer buncha guys Don't you think it would help its international position for Israel to end its occupation of southern Syria before making demands on Syria? It has been well known for year in Israel, right from Moshe Dayan, that it provoked Syria into defending itself during the 1967 war solely for the purpose of stealing the Syrian Heights. Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding the 1967 war? Actually I was refering to the shelling of Israelis who were living on stolen Syrian land fronting the Sea of Galilee. Syria certainly has a right to shell its own territory I have similarly suggested Syria lease the Heights to Iran as a down range missile test range. If there was a dispute over the land in question then it could certainly have been put to international arbitration. In any event, despite the Israeli propaganda, Moshe Dayan give the real and only reason for provoking Syria. To steal the land. That is what he said. It has been confirmed by his daughter. It was this revelation which shot down the Israeli propaganda. The propaganda has been discredited. There is no point in trying to resurrect it today. Ignoring inconvenient facts like the eighteen years of Syrian artillery raining down from the Golan Heights on Israeli civilians just because it doesn't fit your anti-Semitic view of the world tells us all we need to know about what kind of person you are. To quote the late American Ambassador and Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts." I don't know how you got out of my kill file, but your going right back in. ALV |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
"Jordan" wrote in message
ups.com... No. I think it would help its international position for Israel to _annex_ the Golan Heights and then reply to all questions about their future disposition with "They're Israeli national territory. What are you offering us to purchase them?" This is also how Israel should have dealt with the issues of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip. What would your do with the four million people living there? Mass expulsion? To where? Keep them as a permanent underclass? Give them the franchise? Do you have final solution in mind? |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
Jordan wrote:
If the Israelis had done this after 1967-72, there would have been _no_ "Palestinian issue," and by now there would be very little international concern about the descendants of said "Palestinians," who would have long since integrated into whatever countries they wound up living in. In whatever country Palestineans dwell they are a pox and a nuisance. Recall what happened in Lebanon. They were also a pain in the arse in Kuwait where some of them worked. They were not particularly loved by their Muslim "brothers". Bob Kolker |
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