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"B2431" wrote in message ... From: Corky Scott Date: 8/26/2004 7:53 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: On 26 Aug 2004 01:37:16 GMT, osite (RobertR237) wrote: It was an issue in Kerry's campaign because he wants to try and use it as some sort of leverage that he has better qualifications to be commander in chief. The democrats have been pushing the issue of Bush's National Guard record from the very beginning. It also takes the heat off of Kerry's voting record which they really don't want advertised. Fact: Kerry went to Vietnam and fought in combat. Fact: He was a commander who commanded in combat. Regardless the medals issue and those swift boat idiots who are funded by close Texan friends of Bush, and who have direct connections to the Whitehouse whether Bush was aware of it or not, he went and put himself and his men in harms way, like all soldiers are supposed to, but sometimes don't. It is said by many who fought in war that leading soldiers under fire is an all encompassing leavening process, that it changes you forever and teaches you to lead. It's an issue because Bush, for whatever his reasons, chose not to go to Vietnam, and that's a fact too. Yes he flew an F-102 but as everyone who knew him and Bush himself admits, he mostly drank and partied during those years. I would venture to say, there's no doubt about this either, it's been extensively documented and Bush himself admits to heavy drinking and partying during those years, as do those who knew him. As a young man Kerry - led men in deadly combat during the most divisive conflict in American history. A conflict that our leaders who took us there now admit was a HUGE mistake. Some, like Kerry, figured this out while he was there. He not only had to command his men, he also had to command his Swift Boat. Loose control of the boat and you loose control of the situation and put your men in jeopardy. Most readily admit that Swift Boat duty was tough and dangerous duty. As a young man Bush - drank and partied while flying stateside for the National Guard thus avoiding serving in combat. Whether it was his intent or not, he did not go. Those were the processes by which these two men learned to lead. Which process do you think might have the best chance to shape a decisive leader? Corky Scott Main Gott, you are comparing anvils to oranges. The leadership a man learns in combat is how to lead in combat not how to run a corporation. Successful executives use managment, not leadership. There is a difference. As for the drinking and partying I can tell you have never been in the military. I am willing to bet kerry did exactly that between missions. I know I did when I was in Viet Nam in the Army. Now then, why does kerry not talk about what he has done in his political life? Kerry is always alternating between bashing Bush and bring up his Viet Nam service. I want to hear from kerry what his plans are if by some miracle he gets elected. Now the most important question: what has any of this to do with homebuilt aircraft? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired George Bush has yet to run a successful corportation (or small business for that matter) without a 'bail-out' from either taxpayers, or foreign financial intervention (IE the Saudi family). Also, I have yet to find ANYONE that was allowed to go to flight school with less than a 6 year ACTIVE duty or reserve commitment. Kerry may be a chump, but GW Bush is disgusting. How ANY Vet can support this ****-ant is beyond me. This Vet won't vote for that pile of defecation. What has this got to do with aircraft? Kerry is an active pilot. GW Bush is a wanna-be that refused to fulfill his promise to the TANG. Kerry is a 'friend' of aviation. GW Bush is a.... ??? Kerry DOES talk about his political life. You may not be listening. Phil (U.S. Army 71-77) |
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It was an issue in Kerry's campaign because he wants to try and use it as some sort of leverage that he has better qualifications to be commander in chief. The democrats have been pushing the issue of Bush's National Guard record from the very beginning. It also takes the heat off of Kerry's voting record which they really don't want advertised. Fact: Kerry went to Vietnam and fought in combat. Fact: He was a commander who commanded in combat. Regardless the medals issue and those swift boat idiots who are funded by close Texan friends of Bush, and who have direct connections to the Whitehouse whether Bush was aware of it or not, he went and put himself and his men in harms way, like all soldiers are supposed to, but sometimes don't. It is said by many who fought in war that leading soldiers under fire is an all encompassing leavening process, that it changes you forever and teaches you to lead. It's an issue because Bush, for whatever his reasons, chose not to go to Vietnam, and that's a fact too. Yes he flew an F-102 but as everyone who knew him and Bush himself admits, he mostly drank and partied during those years. I would venture to say, there's no doubt about this either, it's been extensively documented and Bush himself admits to heavy drinking and partying during those years, as do those who knew him. As a young man Kerry - led men in deadly combat during the most divisive conflict in American history. A conflict that our leaders who took us there now admit was a HUGE mistake. Some, like Kerry, figured this out while he was there. He not only had to command his men, he also had to command his Swift Boat. Loose control of the boat and you loose control of the situation and put your men in jeopardy. Most readily admit that Swift Boat duty was tough and dangerous duty. As a young man Bush - drank and partied while flying stateside for the National Guard thus avoiding serving in combat. Whether it was his intent or not, he did not go. Those were the processes by which these two men learned to lead. Which process do you think might have the best chance to shape a decisive leader? Corky Scott I don't think that any one event will shape a decisive leader. The roads to any given point are many and varied. Yes, Kerry served in Viet Nam but based on his testimony and actions after returning from Viet Nam, I have serious questions about what sort of decisive leader he has become. I even have many questions about what sort of leader he was in Viet Nam. He testified about some of the acts our soldiers did in Viet Nam but I wonder if he was speaking from the personal experience of his own actions. In any case, both Bush and Kerry have come a long way since then. I much more concerned with what each is likely to do from here forward than with what they did 35 years ago. Neither impresses me much in that respect. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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Corky Scott wrote:
As a young man Bush - drank and partied while flying stateside for the National Guard thus avoiding serving in combat. Whether it was his intent or not, he did not go. Those were the processes by which these two men learned to lead. Which process do you think might have the best chance to shape a decisive leader? Corky Scott Corky, Corky, Corky Are you saying that those that served in the NG should be less proud of their service in the guard because they did not serve in Vietnam? I did serve in vietnam and I do not think any less of those that stayed state side in the NG. Bush does admit he had a drinking problem and overcame it, I believe that is a plus for him. I well not ever forgive Kerry and his cronies for saying I committed atrocities in Vietnam. I say I because I do take it personally. Also why is Kerry trying to suppress his own book called "The New Soldier," that has a picture of a bunch of hippy types rising the American flag upside down? Jerry |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:53:59 -0400, Corky Scott
wrote: e heat off of Kerry's voting record which they really don't want advertised. Fact: Kerry went to Vietnam and fought in combat. Fact: He was a commander who commanded in combat. Regardless the medals issue and those swift boat idiots who are funded by close Texan friends of Bush, Just who did you expect to finance it? A Democrat? I suspect all of Kerry's ads are financed by his supporters. and who have direct connections to the Whitehouse whether Bush was aware of it or not, he went and put himself and his men in harms way, like all soldiers are supposed to, but sometimes don't. It is said by many who fought in war that leading soldiers under fire is an all encompassing leavening process, that it changes you forever and teaches you to lead. It's an issue because Bush, for whatever his reasons, chose not to go to Vietnam, and that's a fact too. Yes he flew an F-102 but as everyone who knew him and Bush himself admits, he mostly drank and partied during those years. I would venture to say, there's no doubt about this either, it's been extensively documented and Bush himself admits to heavy drinking and partying during those years, as do those who knew him. As a young man Kerry - led men in deadly combat during the most divisive conflict in American history. A conflict that our leaders who took us there now admit was a HUGE mistake. Some, like Kerry, figured this out while he was there. He not only had to command his men, he also had to command his Swift Boat. Loose control of the boat and you loose control of the situation and put your men in jeopardy. Most readily admit that Swift Boat duty was tough and dangerous duty. As a young man Bush - drank and partied while flying stateside for the National Guard thus avoiding serving in combat. Whether it was his intent or not, he did not go. Those were the processes by which these two men learned to lead. Which process do you think might have the best chance to shape a decisive leader? Corky Scott |
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"B2431" wrote I will say no more about this in this NG since it is not a political group. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Amen! If only more felt that way, and all resisted the urge to rebut. Face it everyone, no opinions will be changed, here, Yes, I know, I don't have to read it. I do, from force of habit, usually. -- Jim in NC |
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Like I said earlier,
B,BB,,BBB,,,,BBBB,,,,BUSH IS AN IDIOT. Stan K. "B2431" wrote in message ... From: Corky Scott Date: 8/26/2004 3:19 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: On 26 Aug 2004 18:57:27 GMT, (B2431) wrote: Now the most important question: what has any of this to do with homebuilt aircraft? Good point. I'd ask Bill Phillips, who originally posted the anti Kerry story. Whether Kerry drank in the military isn't the point, I only brought up that situation regarding Bush because those who knew him in those days thought he seemed over the top with not just drinking, but bragging about it. It was basically what he did for evening's entertainment. And yes, I realise he has turned to god in the most scary of ways and no longer drinks, that we know of. The point was Kerry chose a different path. He went to a very unpopular war and led men in combat in a tough branch of the service. The men he led seem to feel he did a good job of it. As to Mr. Bush's education in the corporate world, the information I keep seeing indicates he was not very sucessful at that. Corky Scott Take a look at Lincoln. He failed at almost everything he did before getting elected president. He did most of his failing after his military service. My point is what kerry and Bush did during the war has a lot less bearing on qualifications as an executive than what the have done during the war. Kerry needs to stop Bush bashing and start telling us what he has done that makes him qualified for president. Whether you feel Bush is a good president or was a good governor the fact remains he had experience as an executive, at the very least his governorship qualifies, before becoming president. I will say no more about this in this NG since it is not a political group. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"B2431" wrote
I will say no more about this in this NG since it is not a political group. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Amen! If only more felt that way, and all resisted the urge to rebut. Face it everyone, no opinions will be changed, here, Yes, I know, I don't have to read it. I do, from force of habit, usually. -- Jim in NC I had to really laugh at your response Jim. You not only read it but could not resist the urge to rebut as well. Good Show! BFG Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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