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Bill Kambic wrote:
"Henry J Cobb" wrote in message 5200 nautical miles between San Diego and Soul and almost 6000 between San Diego and Taipei vs 4200 nautical miles between the East Coast and Tripoli. I'm not sure I see your point. Take the top dozen trouble spots where a carrier battle group might make a difference. The compare the distance between the current carrier bases and these areas. Select the base that is most distant and transfer the carriers out elsewhere so they can react to trouble quicker. The result is better coverage and quicker response for the same long term costs. Ignore Boxer's whining, it's not like she'd ever vote for any real defense spending. -HJC |
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"Mike Weeks" wrote in message ... Saw a movie (so it must be accurate ...) some 20+ years ago which in fact showed that indeed a US aircraft carrier w/ very advanced aircraft -- including some kind of airborne radar aircraft -- spotted the appraoching IJN carrier TF Yeah, Nimitz had some nerve naming a carrier after himself. |
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Acccchhh! m' wee bairn, Mikey Weeks.... have y told the people on this
thread that you've been caught bull****ting by Kevin Brooks when you pretended you were a "jet fighter pilot"... MIKE WEEKS, USS LIBERTY USS LIBERTY MURDERS ISRAEL AHRON JAY CRISTOL A. JAY CRISTOL GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL GOI IDF THE LIBERTY INCIDENT ASSAULT ON THE LIBERTY JIM ENNES JAMES ENNES JAMES A. ENNES JOE MEADORS WAR CRIME stan engel shipfixr dn roberta hatch sheldon lieberman little_people Ward Boston Admiral Thomas Moorer Robert McNamara LBJ 30mm with proximity fusing 30mm cannon with proximity fusing 30mm cannon shell with proximity fusing kevin brooks said this: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...g.goog le.com "No idea, but a good point. Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys", since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when called upon his own "qualifications"." Bwaaaaahaaa! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!! C'mon mikey... tell an old scot your qualifications, laddie! Acccch!!! M'wee bairns… I'll give y'warp factor eight and maybe a wee bit more… The following message has been designed to prevent Mike Weeks from engaging in conduct on this thread THAT HE has engaged in on the threads where the USS Liberty survivors gather…. ….and to follow Zionist Mike Weeks, who got caught by Kevin Brooks pretending on the Google Groups pretending to be a US Naval "jet fighter pilot"... …just like Week's good buddy, A. Jay Cristol(Ahron Jay Cristol), author of "The Liberty Incident" has BEEN CAUGHT pretending to be a "jet fighter pilot" who "flew combat missions in the Far East" during the Korean War and who served as an officer in US Naval Intelligence when in reality… …Mike Weeks is IN ACTUALITY … a US Naval reservist…and "no";he's not the "jet fighter pilot" he got caught pretending to be ….. he is "computer operator" AND… "the Korean War… snicker…heroooo",A. Jay Cristol never came within thousands of miles of any combat… and he graduated from "flight training school" only 90 days before the Korean War ended before he sat his fat little rump down in the cockpit seat …not of his ...snicker… "jet fighter"… but instead a "Turkey Prop".. the US Navy's slowest plane… and "no"… he never served in US Naval Intelligence unless perhaps it was in the kitchen of the mess halls peeling potatoes as punishment for bull****ting about his "war record" Mike Weeks, who ALONG WITH HIS BUDDY, A. Jay Cristol, is actively involved in helping the Government of Israel cover up the murder of 34 of his fellow countrymen… In the following messages on this thread, you'll be able to determine for yourself to just what extent, if any, Mike Weeks is a traitor to both his country and fellow computer oper… er.. fellow servicemen in the US Military… …but first to give you a snapshot of just what kind of individual it is who ends up betraying his fellow Americans…. We'll repeat the "self esteem" problems Mike Weeks has which cause him to pretend to be a "jet fighter pilot" as Wing Commander of "The Data Entry Squadron"… Hey, Mikey…. M'wee bairn… point oot t'the ladies the hyperlink Kevin Brooks is talking aboot where he caught you bull****ting aboot being a "jet fighter pilot"… kevin brooks said this: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...g.goog le.com "No idea, but a good point. Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys", since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when called upon his own "qualifications"." Odd how he gets rather quiet when called upon his own "qualifications". Odd how he gets rather quiet when called upon his own "qualifications". Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys", since he made such a big deal of it. since he made such a big deal of it. since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when called upon his own "qualifications". ojunk (Mike Weeks) wrote in message ...[i] From: Henry J Cobb Date: 4/9/2004 19:26 Pacific Daylight Time snip Applying VP-21's numbers Which wasn't based at PH in any event ... we get 51 planes required to do a 360° search to 450 miles so just 20 planes in the air could have done a search beyond the strike radius of any Japanese carrier based aircraft. http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/misc/martin_1.html The "Martin-Bellinger Report" on aircraft availability start PATROL WING TWO U. S. NAVAL AIR STATION, Pearl Harbor, T. H., December 19, 1941. Memorandum for Admiral H. E. Kimmel, U. S. Navy. MY DEAR ADMIRAL: In accordance with our conversation of yesterday, I am forwarding to you the following information: ... t should be noted that there were insufficient patrol planes in the Hawaiian Area effectively to do the Job required. For the commander of a search group to be able to state with some assurance that no hostile carrier could reach a spot 250 miles away and launch an attack without prior detection would require an effective daily search through 360 to a distance of at least 800 miles. Assuming a 16-mile radius of visibility this would require a daily 16 hour flight of 84 planes. A force of not less than 209 patrol planes, adequate spare parts and ample well trained personnel would be required for such operations. (Signed) P. N. L. BELLINGER Rear Admiral, U. S. Navy, Commander Patrol Wing TWO. end RADM Bellinger appears to not agree. MW |
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There's even a discipline (Operations analysis, senior course at USNA) that's intended for
problems just like this: maximization of search detection with given assets. Very sensible post, John; but wasn't Operations Analysis developed during WW II, too late for Pearl Harbor? It's an aspect of Game Theory, isn't it? vince norris |
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vincent p. norris wrote:
There's even a discipline (Operations analysis, senior course at USNA) that's intended for problems just like this: maximization of search detection with given assets. Very sensible post, John; but wasn't Operations Analysis developed during WW II, too late for Pearl Harbor? It's an aspect of Game Theory, isn't it? http://www.lionhrtpub.com/orms/orms-2-01/nps.html The British, specifically the Operational Research Society, mark the year 1937 as the birth of operational research (they say operational, we say operations). Operational research began when, having developed radar, scientists were then asked to develop procedures for its use in a new, effective air defense system. -HJC |
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Henry J Cobb wrote:
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/...365-Pearl.html On Sunday, December 7, 1941, this ship, acting as squadron leader for the Commander Destroyer Squadron THREE, was at the Navy Yard, Pearl Harbor, in a restricted availability status undergoing preliminary radar installation work. How many radar equiped ships did the Navy have sitting at Pearl Harbor? Not sure, but out of the six CXAM sets fitted to ships, only California was there. Her set was removed and mounted ashore after the attack, then installed in Hornet sometime in the summer of 1942. There were 14 CXAM-1 sets installed, of which Pennsylvania, West Viriginia and Curtiss (AV-4) were in Pearl, but I don't know that they'd actually been fitted yet. The only other naval air search set that might have been available would be the early SC, but I dont know which ships might have gotten that at the time. Friedman ("Naval Radar", from which the above fitment info comes) just says SC "installation began in late 1941, and the operating forces objected strongly to the reduced capabilities of the new set [compared to the CXAM/CXAM-1, which had much larger antennas and thus, greater range]. I remmber reading somewhere that after the attack, it became USN policy for at least some ships in Pearl to maintain a radar watch despite the terrain limitations, the navy not being willing to trust the army again. I don't know how long this policy remained in effect; as experience with radar grew, and especially considering that an Army set had picked up the incoming raid, the beginner behavior that occurred on Dec. 7th wasn't going to be repeated. Guy |
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There were not enough to provide 360 degree coverage.
You might have missed my post. While 360 degree coverage would have been the most desirable, coverage on the most likely threat axes would have certainly been better than nothing. Insufficient search capability is better than none at all. The aircraft were of absolutely no use sitting on the ramp. R / John |
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