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"Yofuri" wrote in message I can confirm a visiting A7E doing it out of the fuel pits at NAS Miramar in that era. He was doing fine until he tried to turn downwind and one panel separated. The only injury was superficial glass cuts to a toddler in a house on the lip of a canyon when wreckage shattered the patio door. Rick Excuse me, but on rereading today, now I am unsure of the outcome you describe. Please clarify for this ex-grunt. Did pilot eject and plane crash? Or, did he land with one missing panel (panel hitting house)? (and thanks for everyone helping out on this thread) |
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No, cuz the link is a picture of an F-8 Crusader . . . not an A-7
Corsair II. They look similar but the link is a Crusader. Look at the radome and the profile of the vertical stabilizer and you will know right away.. Blue skies John |
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a425couple wrote:
"Yofuri" wrote in message I can confirm a visiting A7E doing it out of the fuel pits at NAS Miramar in that era. He was doing fine until he tried to turn downwind and one panel separated. The only injury was superficial glass cuts to a toddler in a house on the lip of a canyon when wreckage shattered the patio door. Rick Excuse me, but on rereading today, now I am unsure of the outcome you describe. Please clarify for this ex-grunt. Did pilot eject and plane crash? Or, did he land with one missing panel (panel hitting house)? (and thanks for everyone helping out on this thread) Outer wing panel broke off in flight; pilot ejected. Fuselage impacted canyon wall, debris went over the lip of the canyon, shattering back windows and patio door of a residence. Rick |
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"...telltale red pins also became grey, and no one noticed...."
Reminds me of our loss of a VF-24 pilot and plane (North American FJ-3) off the U. S. S. Shangri La in the East China Sea. Pilot had spread the wings but did not completely LOCK the wings. The wing fold pins were seated keeping the folded outboard sections in place, but the cockpit lock handle was not completely seated in the detent. The pilot had NO aileron throw but apparently did not know it. The plane went off the catapult, began a slow left roll and went in abeam the ship. Happened on 23 December 1956. Always hoped the Navy did not notify his wife and two little kids until after they had enjoyed their Christmas. WDA end wrote in message oups.com... I read the USAF Safety TWX on an incident where a 57th FIS F4E ;aunched out of Rekyavik with his wings unlocked. When the bird rotated the tips went vertical and with the sudden shift of the now modified aero center the bird nosed up steeply. The RIO made the appropriate comment while the AC rolled the plane inverted to get the nose back down. At the horizon he rolled right side up and still in burner found that at 300 the tips would lie flat. (Note that USAF F4Es do not have cockpit- folding controls, - it's all done outside, on the ground, of course.) They punched the tanks and dumped fuel and determined from a little test flying that they could make an approach. I forgot the exact speed but it was doable. So they came in flat and fast, planted the bird on the runway, slowed enough to pop the chute and stopped okay. The WingCo had the usual talk with the crew. He posited that the attaboy canceled the aw **** and the crew agreed. (A little careless maybe but not stupid). The mishap occurred because the bird had just been painted sea grey over the usual slime and sewage; the wings being unlocked, the telltale red pins also became grey, and no one noticed they were sticking up when the bird was towed from the hanagr to teh flightline - or during preflight . . . This happened sometime around 1972-1973 because I was stationed at Bitburg AB Germany when I read the TWX report. Walt BJ ret ftr plt |
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I posted a photo I scanned from one of my books of the F-4N airborne with
the wings folded, as well as the two photos of the 57FIS F-4E I found on the web. You'll find them on alt.binaries.pictures.military Scott Wilson |
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Been some retouching to the image as well, sky has grain and then some
"smeary" areas. "Yofuri" wrote in message ... a425couple wrote: "Yofuri" wrote in message a425couple wrote: "Yofuri" wrote in message I can confirm a visiting A7E doing it out of the fuel pits at NAS Miramar in that era. He was doing fine until he tried to turn downwind and one panel separated. The only injury was superficial glass cuts to a toddler in a house on the lip of a canyon when wreckage shattered the patio door. Rick Thank you very much. Think that is the one pictured in the link? Could you repeat the link? I missed it. Rick Sure A good poster over on s.m.n. gave me this link, " http://www.vmf235.com/f8_wingsfolded.jpg not F-4 but if I read the photo credit right is Marine. You have to careful with Google refs ---" Anyone know if this photo is real, and what outcome was? That's a Marine F8. The one I knew of was a VA-25 A7E. Rick |
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"John" wrote in message oups.com... No, cuz the link is a picture of an F-8 Crusader . . . not an A-7 Corsair II. They look similar but the link is a Crusader. Look at the radome and the profile of the vertical stabilizer and you will know right away.. It always irritates me when folks consider an A-7 to be similar to an F-8. That's like saying a burro is similar to a thoroughbred. R / John |
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Sorry. Senior moment, to which I am entitled by seniority. Kef it was.
Walt BJ |
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Don't be too sure your senior! I just happened to be there!
wrote in message oups.com... Sorry. Senior moment, to which I am entitled by seniority. Kef it was. Walt BJ |
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