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Matt Barrow wrote:
Of course, with the price below $2/gal, people went right back to their old ways and consumption (and prices) went right back up. Prices went down when the production facilities came back online; they went back up only after the world market price went up and a couple of our way-too-few facilities had to be brought down for service. In Dec. of '05, 25% of the production facilities in the gulf region were still offline when the prices dropped into the $2/gal. range. Domestic consumption dropped drastically in Sept. and Oct. and were well below normal in Dec, hence the price. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) -- Message posted via AviationKB.com http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums...ation/200705/1 |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On May 16, 5:52 pm, Matt Whiting wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: All very true. However, lack of capacity does not result in shortages as the OP suggests. In a free market lack of capacity or supply results in higher prices. Now, if the democrats try to cap prices or increase the tax on gas the restricted capacity would result in shortages. It absolutely does result in shortages. Capacity can't be added in zero time even if it is economically viable to do so. And prices have to stay high enough, long enough to attract new investment. In the mean time, shortages will occur ever more frequently even as the prices rise dramatically. Matt I'm not sure how it is where you live but here gas prices can chance twice a day. Prices can change very quickly to reflect supply. Same here. What is your point? A new refinery can't be built in a day no matter how much money you have. Matt |
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I'm not sure teaching an entire economics class is possible within
this forum but the short answer is, if the gov't stays out of it prices will quickly adjust to adjust to output levels. In the stock market supply of available stock changes by the second, as do commondities, exchange rates, etc, in all these cases prices adjust such that everyone can buy a share of stock, the only question is the price. In retail fuel, prices often change more than once per day. We have also seen how the market can and will manipulate the supply to raise the cost to the consumer. Hence the need for regulation. |
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"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message ... "Matt Barrow" wrote: "kontiki" wrote in message ... Matt Whiting wrote: Anyone seeing any avgas shortages? I just learned that a local airport (7N1) is out of gas. The FBO has a 10,000 gallon tank and ordered fuel back in February and still hasn't received it. He ran out yesterday... Matt No, but I've been hearing reports that supply is very tight. The reasons of course are this country's complete failure to improve infastructure or explore for more supply of an important commodity. Oh, they know where it is (Continental shelf, ANWR, etc.), so exploration is rather worthless. Do you know what the know proven reserves in ANWR are? ZERO barrels. None, nada, zip. Got a cite for that? [Rest of blather snipped] |
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"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message news:7253c73daad31@uwe... Matt Barrow wrote: Of course, with the price below $2/gal, people went right back to their old ways and consumption (and prices) went right back up. Prices went down when the production facilities came back online; they went back up only after the world market price went up and a couple of our way-too-few facilities had to be brought down for service. In Dec. of '05, 25% of the production facilities in the gulf region were still offline when the prices dropped into the $2/gal. range. Domestic consumption dropped drastically in Sept. and Oct. and were well below normal in Dec, hence the price. World market price was...what? Winter weather forcecast was...what? Try to keep more than two facets in mind at the same time. |
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"MB" == Matt Barrow writes:
MB Got a cite for that? Usenet ain't a peer reviewed journal, ferchrissake. Requests for "cites" are almost always a signal the requestor has been effectively out-argued. If the requestor really wanted a cite they'd google for it. -- If I ever went to war, instead of throwing a grenade, I'd throw one of those small pumpkins. Then maybe my enemy would pick up the pumpkin and think about the futility of war. And that would give me the time I need to hit him with a real grenade. - Jack Handey |
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Bob Fry wrote:
"MB" == Matt Barrow writes: MB Got a cite for that? Usenet ain't a peer reviewed journal, ferchrissake. Requests for "cites" are almost always a signal the requestor has been effectively out-argued. If the requestor really wanted a cite they'd google for it. If there were proven reserves in ANWR Matt would have been very happy to run out the long list he would easily have found on google of reports detailing every drop. But there are no proven reserves in ANWR. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:
"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote: "Matt Barrow" wrote: Oh, they know where it is (Continental shelf, ANWR, etc.), so exploration is rather worthless. Do you know what the know proven reserves in ANWR are? ZERO barrels. None, nada, zip. Got a cite for that? [Rest of blather snipped] Blather, eh? Lets see you cite *any* proven reserves in ANWR. First, you can start with the USGS "Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, 1002 Area, Petroleum Assessment, 1998, Including Economic Analysis" report the Congress, http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.pdf See Figure 2, for a map that shows the location of the one and the only exporation well ever drilled in ANWR (by Chevron on 1985). Chevron was so tight lipped about that particular hole that they even shipped the waste to the Lower-48 for disposal at their own facilities rather than risk any of it getting into the hands of a competitor to be analyzed if it were sent to the nearby facilities at Prudhoe Bay. And do read the rest of the report to find where it lists proven reserves. You might learn a lot, but it will not give you any numbers for *proven* reserves, because there are none. Ball's in your court... and you might go read the rest of that "blather" and see if it isn't just as precisely correct as the comment about zero proven reserves i ANWR. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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Does anyone have information where and how many refineries are able to
produce 100LL. Is it a problem of logistics? It is hard to imagine that all refineries all over the world are producing cargas and all the other derivates beside avgas on a 100% capcity! Heard once time ago that there should only be 4 refineries which are producing avgas. Think there was a shortage in Southafrica then. Any thoughts why? Harald |
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john smith wrote:
We have also seen how the market can and will manipulate the supply to raise the cost to the consumer. Hence the need for regulation. If I, as a farmer, decide the going price for beans is just too low to make it worth the effort to plant any then the supply will go down and perhaps the price will rise enough next year to make it worth while. What make you think it is right (or beneficial) for the government to step in and tell me to either plant beans (when I can't make a decent profit doing so) or sell them at an abnormally low price becuase _it_ thinks the price is too high? |
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