Getting a little sick of it all

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:17:11 -0800, "MRQB" wrote:


Is it just me or is the whole aviation industry like this I have not found 1
airplane yet that some one was not hiding something or trying to hide.

I don't think it is just the aviation industry, I think it is a new
mentality that we are seeing. About 4 weeks ago I put a contract on a
house for almost a half million dollars. I made arrangements for the
next week to have the house inspected, scheduled it with the owners
and real-estate people. We all agreed on what day/time to meet. Well
we all got there and the owner refused to let our inspector do
anything. He wasn't allowed to flip a light switch, move curtains to
check outlets.... NOTHING. I looked at my realtor and told her to
terminate the contract right then. The next day the owner's realtor
called and asked if we could try again. I laid down my terms and told
him that I also wanted a structural engineer to look at the property
and gave him the engineers' available schedule. He called back and
told me the owner would only allow him to come look at the house on X
day which happened to be one of the 2 days the engineer was not
available that whole week. I told him that was not acceptable and
that there will be no further negotiations and the deal was off.

I guess some people just don't want my money!!! Odd.

Scott

Thats the same way i feel. "some people just don't want my money"

"SD" sdatverizondot.net@ wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:17:11 -0800, "MRQB" wrote:


Is it just me or is the whole aviation industry like this I have not
found 1
airplane yet that some one was not hiding something or trying to hide.

I don't think it is just the aviation industry, I think it is a new
mentality that we are seeing. About 4 weeks ago I put a contract on a
house for almost a half million dollars. I made arrangements for the
next week to have the house inspected, scheduled it with the owners
and real-estate people. We all agreed on what day/time to meet. Well
we all got there and the owner refused to let our inspector do
anything. He wasn't allowed to flip a light switch, move curtains to
check outlets.... NOTHING. I looked at my realtor and told her to
terminate the contract right then. The next day the owner's realtor
called and asked if we could try again. I laid down my terms and told
him that I also wanted a structural engineer to look at the property
and gave him the engineers' available schedule. He called back and
told me the owner would only allow him to come look at the house on X
day which happened to be one of the 2 days the engineer was not
available that whole week. I told him that was not acceptable and
that there will be no further negotiations and the deal was off.

I guess some people just don't want my money!!! Odd.

Scott

Either the wife is now against moving, or he is having seller's remourse...
Well known - just like buyer's remourse...
He will not sell the house in the end because he will keep finding ways to
sabotage the deal...
denny
"SD" sdatverizondot.net@ wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:17:11 -0800, "MRQB" wrote:


Is it just me or is the whole aviation industry like this I have not
found 1
airplane yet that some one was not hiding something or trying to hide.

I don't think it is just the aviation industry, I think it is a new
mentality that we are seeing. About 4 weeks ago I put a contract on a
house for almost a half million dollars. I made arrangements for the
next week to have the house inspected, scheduled it with the owners
and real-estate people. We all agreed on what day/time to meet. Well
we all got there and the owner refused to let our inspector do
anything. He wasn't allowed to flip a light switch, move curtains to
check outlets.... NOTHING. I looked at my realtor and told her to
terminate the contract right then. The next day the owner's realtor
called and asked if we could try again. I laid down my terms and told
him that I also wanted a structural engineer to look at the property
and gave him the engineers' available schedule. He called back and
told me the owner would only allow him to come look at the house on X
day which happened to be one of the 2 days the engineer was not
available that whole week. I told him that was not acceptable and
that there will be no further negotiations and the deal was off.

I guess some people just don't want my money!!! Odd.

Scott

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote:
He will not sell the house in the end because he will keep
finding ways to sabotage the deal...

My neighbor down on the corner has had his house "for sale by owner"
six times in the last ten years. I think it must be his hobby.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

You do get to meet a lot of people that way.

Mike Z

"Dan Luke" wrote in message ...
"Dennis O'Connor" wrote:
He will not sell the house in the end because he will keep
finding ways to sabotage the deal...

My neighbor down on the corner has had his house "for sale by owner"
six times in the last ten years. I think it must be his hobby.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

SD wrote:

I guess some people just don't want my money!!! Odd.

Interesting. Here in New Jersey, you can't sell a house without an inspection
by a structural engineer and an exterminator selected by the prospective buyer.
If the seller tries to limit what the inspector can see, they can't sell the
house.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

SD sdatverizondot.net@ wrote:

I don't think it is just the aviation industry, I think it is a new
mentality that we are seeing.

On the other hand, today I took a used car for a pre-purchase
inspection. Owner had no trouble with it. A matter of fact, he was out
of town. Said the key was above the visor, take it any time and let
him know how we make out.



Michael Nickolas
www.studionineproductions.com

shoot, we just sold our house, lived in it 2 years and made a $100,000 profit,
the buyer bought it for asking price, anything he wanted to do we made it happen.
period.
they closed on the house 2 weeks after they made an offer, offer was made 12
hours after we listed it.

SD wrote:

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:17:11 -0800, "MRQB" wrote:

Is it just me or is the whole aviation industry like this I have not found 1
airplane yet that some one was not hiding something or trying to hide.

I don't think it is just the aviation industry, I think it is a new
mentality that we are seeing. About 4 weeks ago I put a contract on a
house for almost a half million dollars. I made arrangements for the
next week to have the house inspected, scheduled it with the owners
and real-estate people. We all agreed on what day/time to meet. Well
we all got there and the owner refused to let our inspector do
anything. He wasn't allowed to flip a light switch, move curtains to
check outlets.... NOTHING. I looked at my realtor and told her to
terminate the contract right then. The next day the owner's realtor
called and asked if we could try again. I laid down my terms and told
him that I also wanted a structural engineer to look at the property
and gave him the engineers' available schedule. He called back and
told me the owner would only allow him to come look at the house on X
day which happened to be one of the 2 days the engineer was not
available that whole week. I told him that was not acceptable and
that there will be no further negotiations and the deal was off.

I guess some people just don't want my money!!! Odd.

Scott

It can get frustrating. I've been looking since October for "the" plane.
Found some that were close. Never found an ideal candidate. Remember -
everything is a compromise. How MUCH you want to compromise is up to you...

Most sellers understand the need for an independent prebuy. A few (and I can
understand this point as well) really don't want their plane to disappear
for awhile. In this case, most will offer to have YOUR A&P come to them (as
most will). Most also want to be present when the inspection is done, just
to make sure that your A&P isn't some clown with a screwdriver (it
happens...).

After a frustration or two, I got to the point where I'd just walk if they
didn't want to do business with me. Fortunately, I didn't walk away from any
perfect airplanes.

I've also been amazed at how screwed up the paperwork is. Found one that
was bought 3 years ago - the bill of sale nor registration had ever been
filed. When I got the FAA records, *I* found out that the lien had never
cleared from the PREVIOUS owner - 7 years earlier. FAA wanted a different
signature on the release form. Other planes were in really decent shape -
except for the 6 major repairs like spliced spar, reskin work, etc., that
was done without log entry or 337...

My plane that I just bought this week literally was handed to me. Actually,
my "network" found it and made some initial queries. For once, it was a
decent-condition, all paperwork checked out, no-lien airplane that all came
together within 3-4 days. I jumped on it.

Keep looking. Some on this list took 8-10 months to find a good candidate.
For a 172, you can be picky, because there are so many 1000's of them out
there.

Carl
"MRQB" wrote in message
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I am getting sick and tired of rude, arrogant, sellers funny thing I just
had a guy refuse to let my mechanic do a pre buy said he could not trust
my
mechanic to give an honest opinion and that if I cannot decide for my self
if I wanted it or not then I don't need an airplane and don't need to be
an
airplane owner or a pilot with poor decision making skills.

Is it just me or is the whole aviation industry like this I have not found
1
airplane yet that some one was not hiding something or trying to hide.
This
last airplane that I looked at was great kinda sounded to good to be true,
seller lost job and needed money the logs looked like they were in order
had
2 missing years but had a good explanation and a NTSB search showed no
accident history. I told him that id have an A&P come over tomorrow and do
a
pre buy and review his logs again. He said no you can have my mechanic do
your pre buy as no inspection plates are coming off with out my mechanic
taking them off. I told him that you can have your mechanic do all the
wrenching but I need my mechanic look it over before I buy. He refused to
let me do a pre buy so I walked away and went home.

He called me up later in the evening and said to tell him now if I wanted
it
or not and real persistent that I give him an answer right now, I told him
that I am really interested and as I told him earlier today I need to do a
pre buy first before I can make that decision. He said flat out no pre buy
from an independent A&P and his reasoning were that an independent A & P
did
not know his airplane "Cessna 172" and if the independent A & P found
something wrong (Airworthy Issue) that he would have to fix it before he
could fly it again and he did not have the money to do that if I did not
buy
the airplane. If I cannot make my own decisions mabye I should let him
talk
to the woman of the house and let her make it. I said sorry and
immediately
hung up the phone!

This guy had the nerve to call me back telling me that I was rude for
hanging up on him and if you cannot tell what a good deal is with your own
eyes then I you will never own a airplane. I hung up on him and entered
his
phone # in to my call rejection.

Yes the deal seemed like a good deal almost to good to be true 1976 172
8,000TT 700 SFRM $28,000 Firm his log books and AD lists were the best I
have seen to date very organized Annual was due at the end of the month.
No
telling what problems this guy was trying to hide with this airplane.

What is with some of these people they seem worse then car dealers.

Here is funny one read below first thing that tripped mu bull****
indicator
was when he said "I cannot recall" well if they have compleate logs it
should be a simple yes or no answer.

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The airframe book refers to a 337 but we do not have it. I could get a
copy
from the feds in Ok City, but would take a little while. Do you want one?

Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "MRQB"
To: "Pete or Harriet Schoeninger"
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:57 AM
Subject: AD INQUIRY - 1979 Cessna 152


Do you have a 337 on that repair.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete or Harriet Schoeninger"
To: "TAC"
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 6:06 PM
Subject: AD INQUIRY - 1979 Cessna 152


Logs indicate firewall repair in 1982. Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "TAC"
To: "Pete or Harriet Schoeninger"
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:23 PM
Subject: AD INQUIRY - 1979 Cessna 152


March 05, 1982 can you look that up in the logs for me.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete or Harriet Schoeninger"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: AD INQUIRY - 1979 Cessna 152


Forgot to tell you... all logs, I cannot recall any major damage.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trade-A-Plane Web Site"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: AD INQUIRY - 1979 Cessna 152


A Trade-A-Plane web user wishes to inquire about your ad.

This message is from:

Please send all the spec's thank you.

Dose it have all the logs and is there any damage history?

A high percentage of good airplanes are bought and sold locally on word of
mouth... I bought mine within 20 minutes when I found out that it was 'now'
for sale and going to be listed in Trade-A-Plane the very next day

I hadn't been to the airport in a couple of weeks and I just happened to
walk over to his hangar when I saw the lights on at 8PM on a winter night...
He later said he started getting phone calls bright and early the next
morning and some were downright po'd when he told them it was sold...

denny

"Carl Orton" wrote in message My plane that I just
bought this week literally was handed to me. Actually,
my "network" found it and made some initial queries.