Help - I busted into the Class B SEATAC airspace last night, does anyone have any advice ?

"wtfcfi" wrote in message
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TK up is for mouth breathing invertebrates who never really learned to
formulate a map in their head which they compare to the sectional and
any other nav instruments they may be using.

I see people like this all the time, they have to rotate their sectional
chart whenever they change heading or they will get confused. These are
the same people that get lost when flying south because now left on the
map does not mean left in the world.

I have found that pilots navigating with GPS most often loose
situational awareness when using TK up than using North up.

Bla, Bla, Bla,_________________________


Halleluiah!!!

You need to get to FlightSafety immediately and notify them of this!!!

My training with them every 6 months for the past 24 years in various
aircraft, Falcon, Lear, Beech stress TRACK up on the main MFD. No wonder us
corporate pilots are always lost*************

They need your help!!


Karl

"wtfcfi" wrote in message
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| TK up is for mouth breathing invertebrates who never really learned to
| formulate a map in their head which they compare to the sectional and
| any other nav instruments they may be using.
|
|
| I have found that pilots navigating with GPS most often loose
| situational awareness when using TK up than using North up.

This, from a guy who does not know the difference between 'loose' and
'lose.'

Loser.

wtfcfi writes:

Most pilots using GPS as their primary means of navigation don't know
exactly where they are ...

That's true for anyone using navigation. You don't need navigation if
you know where you are.

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wtfcfi ) wrote:

TK up is for mouth breathing invertebrates who never really learned to
formulate a map in their head which they compare to the sectional and
any other nav instruments they may be using.

Interesting that you felt compelled to use a throw-away Usenet alias under
which to post your drivel.

Not man enough to stand behind your comments, eh?

Troll, plain and simple.

--
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People bust into Sea-Tac airspace all the time. I know of another pilot, an
airline captain, who recently busted into the airspace and a United jet on
short final had to take evasive action. This pilot actually flew across
Sea-Tac itself and cut in front of the United jet. However, the airspace
violation was inadvertent and partially due to confusion; he had filed an
IFR flight plan but had not received a clearance yet. Apparently ATC could
not find his flight plan. He was still trying to pick up his clearance in
the air when he flew across the class B. The FAA gave him a warning letter.

You may also receive a warning letter, but that will probably be the end of
it. Just be careful in the future.

If you ever bust airspace again (and the odds are you probably will -- most
pilots have violated one airspace or another but they don't talk about it)
be sure to keep your cool. Don't panic, fly the airplane, talk to the
controlling agency ASAP if you can, and take the shortest way out or follow
ATC directions.

Thanks to everyone who replied. You guys have been great !
I will try to answer the questions sent out in the next day or two as more
happens

Thanks again

s



"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
People bust into Sea-Tac airspace all the time. I know of another pilot,
an
airline captain, who recently busted into the airspace and a United jet on
short final had to take evasive action. This pilot actually flew across
Sea-Tac itself and cut in front of the United jet. However, the airspace
violation was inadvertent and partially due to confusion; he had filed an
IFR flight plan but had not received a clearance yet. Apparently ATC
could
not find his flight plan. He was still trying to pick up his clearance in
the air when he flew across the class B. The FAA gave him a warning
letter.

You may also receive a warning letter, but that will probably be the end
of
it. Just be careful in the future.

If you ever bust airspace again (and the odds are you probably will --
most
pilots have violated one airspace or another but they don't talk about it)
be sure to keep your cool. Don't panic, fly the airplane, talk to the
controlling agency ASAP if you can, and take the shortest way out or
follow
ATC directions.

C J Campbell wrote:

..... most
pilots have violated one airspace or another but they don't talk about it

Is there a statute of limitations on such violations?

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

On 2003-10-24 07:27:54 -0700, (null) said:

..... most
pilots have violated one airspace or another but they don't talk about it

Is there a statute of limitations on such violations?

The number that comes to mind is 180 days. If any action is to be taken, the ball must start rolling before 180 days have passed.

Hello everyone, my name is Kobra and I am an Airspace Violator.

[Group] "Hello Kobra!"

It has now been two months since my last violation. Let me share my one and
hopefully only story:

Here is my NASA report: (you may notice that the one thing in common with
Steve's report is that we both read our moving map GPS incorrectly. I too
was zoomed in too tightly and miss read the screen. Take note that when
using a GPS for this purpose, for God's Sake, zoom the damn thing ALL the
way out to see the WHOLE class B.)

I departed Linden Airport (LDJ) VFR enroute to KGFL with one passenger on
August 23rd, 2003 at approximately 11:00 AM. I climbed to 1000' to fly the
Hudson Corridor northbound and did not contact ATC as I figured I would do
so after I was clear of the class B airspace. I was using GPS for my
primary navigation and my passenger (non-pilot) was reading the NY Terminal
Area Chart as a cross-reference. The flight conditions were clear, but very
turbulent at that altitude. My passenger became nauseous while we were
approximately at the North Hudson Park. Shortly I saw her throw the Map in
the back of the plane and become sick. I then became distracted in helping
her find a relief bag. I looked down at my GPS and saw what I thought was
our position entering the outer most ring of the NY class bravo. I saw that
I could climb to 3000' and proceeded to do so. Unfortunately I did not
realize I was not entering the outer most ring, I was entering the
second-to-last ring which only entitled me to climb to 1500'. As I was
approaching 3000' I looked at the GPS again and saw what I thought was us
leaving the class B airspace and proceeded to climb to our cruise altitude
of 5500'. During that climb I contacted approach control to receive flight
advisories. After about a minute or so the approach controller informed me
of my transgression into NY's class B airspace and gave me a phone number to
call to speak with them. Shortly after I landed I phoned the number I was
given and gave ATC my tail number. She explained the problem, listened to
my situation and then gave me several frequencies to use if I ever am in
that situation again. [report end]

Kobra

("Kobra" wrote)
Hello everyone, my name is Kobra and I am an Airspace Violator.

[Group] "Hello Kobra!"

It has now been two months since my last violation. Let me share my one
and hopefully only story: snip


"Vito, you're blocking."

You see, you don't need to violate Class B to enjoy your flight.

Now ...it's orange peel (mime) time for you. :-o

--
Montblack
"I like to watch"