cleared, then busted

In a previous article, "C J Campbell" said:
Maybe our first choice should be people of impeccable behavior, regardless
of their political leanings.

My first choice would be people of impeccable principles. You got any
candidates like that? John McCain is the closest I've sean, and even he
tends to follow the political winds.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Their constitution is unwritten, and is mostly based on common law and
practice. In other words, they do something wrong and it then becomes
the norm. -- Laurie Couturier, on the British legal system

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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| I did not vote for Bush, I would rather have a president in bed with his
| intern then in bed with Big Business and screwing over the little
people.
|

Why is this the choice? Have we become so polarized politically that we
will
put up with any amount of corruption from anyone who claims to represent
our
own point of view?

Maybe our first choice should be people of impeccable behavior, regardless
of their political leanings.

Yeh, but there is no place in politics for people with those qualities.
People with those qualities would rather be dead than a politician.

Politician never lie. They just tell their own truth.

C J Campbell wrote:

Maybe our first choice should be people of impeccable behavior, regardless
of their political leanings.

LBJ used to tell the following ....

It's a little known fact that George Washington was originally from Texas. One
day his father came home and found his favorite cherry tree lying on the lawn.
When he asked George how it happened, George said "I cannot tell a lie; I did
it with my little hatchet." George's father said "Well, if you can't tell a lie,
we're going to have to move, 'cause you won't get anywhere in *Texas* politics."

George Patterson
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can
be learned no other way.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Unbelievable.

No, business as usual. If we really had 600 bust of the DC ADIZ, that would be
more than one a day. Have you seen that many in the news? Do you think the
reporters have decided that DC airspace busts aren't worth reporting?

George Patterson
The actions taken by the New Hampshire Episcopalians (ie. inducting a gay
bishop) are an affront to Christians everywhere. I am just thankful that
the church's founder, Henry VIII, and his wife Catherine of Aragon, and his
wife Anne Boleyn, and his wife Jane Seymour, and his wife Anne of Cleves,
and his wife Katherine Howard, and his wife Catherine Parr are no longer
here to suffer through this assault on traditional Christian marriages.

virga wrote in message ...
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive.../148-full.html
I guess we shouldn't be surprised, but wow!

Well, frankly, I suspect a goodly number of those 600 incursions involve
a similar kind of systemic screw up. I've heard, for example, of pilots
being instructed to squawk VFR before landing or before actually exiting
the ADIZ, then having to account for themselves as an "incursion".

Ugh.
Sydney

Just to give some credit where it's due...

I flew up to Rapid City today and asked approach to vector me as close as
they could to Mt. Rushmore. They were very friendly, cautioned me about the
restricted area around the monument, and vectored and suggested altitudes to
get as close as was reasonably possible without risking getting busted. Did
a nice job. (Still not a great view. Really need to land to see the faces
well.)

Seems that on a one on one basis I usually get excellent service from
controllers, but on a buearacratic level, such as the one described in this
link, it gets crazy.

Michael


"virga" wrote in message
...
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive.../148-full.html
I guess we shouldn't be surprised, but wow!

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:jGbub.170416$mZ5.1197211@attbi_s54...

I flew up to Rapid City today and asked approach to vector me as close as
they could to Mt. Rushmore. They were very friendly, cautioned me about
the
restricted area around the monument, and vectored and suggested altitudes
to
get as close as was reasonably possible without risking getting busted.
Did
a nice job. (Still not a great view. Really need to land to see the faces
well.)


A Restricted Area around Mt. Rushmore? That sounds dangerous to me, and
harmful to the monument too.

Maybe I'm using the wrong term, but the controller referred to it as
restricted. 700' vertical, 2000' horizontal... What should it be called?


"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:jGbub.170416$mZ5.1197211@attbi_s54...

I flew up to Rapid City today and asked approach to vector me as close
as
they could to Mt. Rushmore. They were very friendly, cautioned me about
the
restricted area around the monument, and vectored and suggested
altitudes
to
get as close as was reasonably possible without risking getting busted.
Did
a nice job. (Still not a great view. Really need to land to see the
faces
well.)


A Restricted Area around Mt. Rushmore? That sounds dangerous to me, and
harmful to the monument too.

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:_Ybub.174249$9E1.900924@attbi_s52...

Maybe I'm using the wrong term, but the controller referred to it as
restricted. 700' vertical, 2000' horizontal... What should it be called?


Restricted Areas are established for security reasons or to contain
hazardous activities, such as bombing and gunnery ranges. Mt. Rushmore is
in the Black Elk Wilderness Area, both are charted on the Cheyenne
sectional. Non-emergency landings are prohibited in Wilderness Areas, but
flight in them is not strictly prohibited. Aircraft are requested to
maintain a minimum altitude of 2,000 feet AGL while overflying them.

In article jGbub.170416$mZ5.1197211@attbi_s54,
Michael 182 wrote:
Just to give some credit where it's due...
[SNIP]
Seems that on a one on one basis I usually get excellent service from
controllers, but on a buearacratic level, such as the one described in this
link, it gets crazy.

This seems to be the case for schools, doctors, lawerys, etc. as well.
On the whole the system is screwed, but _MY_ doctor, childs' school, etc.
is doing the best they can and a fairly good job.
I learned to fly from a class D airport (KBFI) which is under class B
airspace; so I've been talking to ATC from lesson one. I have NEVER had a
problem with ATC and have never not been allowed into the clas B. Yet I
read/heard abot all kinds of problems with out ATC system.