Officials say al-Qaida operatives may be fully trained airline pilots

Historically- The Nazi's claimed to have God on their side as they killed
millions of Jews.
The Spanish Inquisition
Then various Crusades
Numerous campaigns against the "heathen" indians

These all were couched or claimed right based on the
Christian religion in at least some respect. There are many others involving
other religions (Shinto/Samuri) etc. Anytime someone places their beliefs as
more correct than anothers there is the possibility. My step father always
said, "Your rights end where the next person's begin." Makes alot of sense.

--
Kevin McCue
KRYN
'47 Luscombe 8E
Rans S-17 (for sale)




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(Jim Buckridge) wrote in message . com...
Mutts wrote in message . ..
Suprise suprise surpise. That was the first thing I said when the
new
security measures were put into place. If the pilot (and maybe
they'll need to copilot to be in on it too) are IN THE COCKPIT it
doesn't matter what security measures are in place. These terrorist
organizations are patient.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/newstmpl...d=519&ncid=716
It says here that they are putting anti-aircraft guns around New York,
Washington, and other places. It don't think they care if its the
pilots or not!

(Corrie) wrote in message . com...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=519&ncid=716

Focusing on cargo planes, they say. Force us to implement security
measures (screen all cargo?) that could bring next-day-air to a
screeching halt. Do FedEx and UPS use foreign-national pilots? Do
foreign-flag cargo operations operate in the US? Hmmm...


When I last looked at their web page it didn't require pilots be U.S.
citizens, just eligable to work in the U.S. and able to travel abroad
(i.e. a reentrant Working Visa)

Obviously time to implement Archie Bunker's anti-hijacking scheme.
Give out guns to all the passengers. With that many people packing
nobody would try anything.

No chance that will happen, 3 reasons:

1) It would work.
2) It'spolitically incorrect
3) It does not involve government gaining more power



--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:43:39 GMT, Philip Sondericker
wrote:

The only recent "fundamentalist" movements I can think of (and I'm
thinking of the past several hundred to thousand years) that has shown
it is capable of mass murder/suicide have been certain strains of
radical Islam.

Jonestown?

No, because the movement didn't survive the deaths of its followers
nor its leader, right?

Rob

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:49:05 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Fundamentalists are, by definition, to be feared.

Fundamentalism is, by definition, "a movement or attitude stressing
strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles"

In that sense it is difficult to see how there could not be harmless
fundamentalists.

Fundamentalists from plug in your favorite religion will do
whatever in a heartbeat if they feel that their god has mandated
that action. Having been born and raised in the bible belt, I can
assure you that 99.44% religious discussions end with, "well, god said
it, I believe it, and that's that." And both parties walk away
feeling righteous.

I've no doubt of that; I've had plenty of religious conversations
myself. But the fact of it is that both parties to those conversations
walked away. That's *the* significant difference between a Christian
"fundamentalist" and the islamo-fascist "fundamentalist".

In fact, these islamicists appear to be "fundamentalist" hypocrites,
if they'll set their own code of behavior aside in order to hide among
Americans.

I'm not sure what you have in mind by *mass*, but the following come
to mind:

Not big enough. And by "mass murder/suicide" I definitely don't mean
the Heaven's Gate or Jonestown mass suicides, those movements were too
small and didn't survive the deaths of their adherents, and they
didn't have the component that the suicidal person was going to take
as many noncombatants with him to his death.

The one I particularly like is the "God is Love" people, the
Cabalists. The christian pope didn't like them much.... so much for
"love"....

http://www.theunjustmedia.com/The%20...e_templars.htm

I also don't recall that the Templars killed themselves on their
campaigns, without a vigorous fight.

I don't think your case is made, Gene.

Rob

3 years ago we didn't believe someone would hijack an airliner and fly
it into the WTC. Ttuth is stranger than fiction.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.



"Rich Raine" wrote in message ...
I can't believe someone would train to get licensed, get a job on the
majors, have a great income, and style of life, and then would throw it all
away to make some guy living in a cave happy by participating in a suicide
attack. I just don't think that will happen.

Rich Raine

www.eraine.com


"Jim Buckridge" wrote in message
om...
Mutts wrote in message
. ..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3775771/

Authorities raised the terrorist threat assessment over the weekend
after new intelligence indicated that operatives of Osama bin Laden?s
al-Qaida terror network, possibly trained and licensed to fly
passenger jets, may now be pilots for some foreign airlines, ideally
positioning them to carry out suicide attacks, U.S. officials told NBC
News on Monday.

Suprise suprise surpise. That was the first thing I said when the new
security measures were put into place. If the pilot (and maybe
they'll need to copilot to be in on it too) are IN THE COCKPIT it
doesn't matter what security measures are in place. These terrorist
organizations are patient. They'll wait the X years it takes get
someone to get properly trained to fly a large passenger jet. Maybe
he's your CFI now. Or working at your FBO, building hours here in the
US so that he can become a pilot either here or abroad. How many
years passed between the first attempt WTC bombing and 9/11? I think
it was eight years. How long does it take someone to go from the $50
discovery flight to PIC of a passenger jet flying for Mid Eastern
airline?

(Corrie) wrote in message . com...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=519&ncid=716

Focusing on cargo planes, they say. Force us to implement security
measures (screen all cargo?) that could bring next-day-air to a
screeching halt. Do FedEx and UPS use foreign-national pilots?

No. (with one exception that I am aware of pre-merger - an Austrian
who is now a citizen by now I think.)

Do foreign-flag cargo operations operate in the US? Hmmm...



Yes. e.g., JAL Cargo (JAA), All Nippon Cargo, Cargolux, Air France
Cargo, others. Belly freight on dozens of other foreign passenger
carriers.

pacplyer

in article , Rob Perkins at
wrote on 12/24/03 11:37 AM:

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:43:39 GMT, Philip Sondericker
wrote:

The only recent "fundamentalist" movements I can think of (and I'm
thinking of the past several hundred to thousand years) that has shown
it is capable of mass murder/suicide have been certain strains of
radical Islam.

Jonestown?

No, because the movement didn't survive the deaths of its followers
nor its leader, right?

Rob

But you didn't make that qualification originally.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:04:29 GMT, Philip Sondericker
wrote:

No, because the movement didn't survive the deaths of its followers
nor its leader, right?

Rob

But you didn't make that qualification originally.

You're right, I didn't. Mea culpa. However, other characteristics of
small cults like Jim Jones' thing, or Heaven's Gate, make it different
enough from a genuine movement like militant islamicism that the two
simply don't compare on enough levels.

Rob