Chicago Shoreline TFR

EDR wrote in message ...
In article , Rob Perkins
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:01:12 GMT, Roger Halstead
wrote:

When over the shoreline I'm usually more than twice that height.
Course if the engine quit....

...you'd declare an emergency and the TFR could go hang itself anyway.
Not that there's any good place to land within that space. From 6000
overlying that area you'd probably just make for Meigs and try for the
taxiway, right?


What do they call that multi-lane stretch of road, Shoreline Drive?
When I flew to and from OSH last year, I told myself that would replace
Meigs as my emergency landing area.


LSD, Lakeshore Drive.

"Ben Smith" wrote in message
...
Nice! Hopefully anyone travelling this popular route checked NOTAMS
before
launching today.

Like the Chicago TFR a couple of years ago, this one lets you fly within
2000' of the Sears Tower, just as you could do in the absence of the TFR!
And unlike when Meigs was around, you don't even have to talk to ATC.

--Gary

3/2133 (#2) IL.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS CHICAGO, IL. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY
UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY
INSTRUCTIONS, EXCEPT FOR MEDEVAC, LAW ENFORCEMENT, RESCUE/RECOVERY,
EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND FIRE FIGHTING OPERATIONS, ALL VFR FLIGHT
OPERATIONS
ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN AN AREA BEGINNING ON THE LAKE MICHIGAN SHORE LINE
(415232N/ 873658W OR THE CHICAGO O''HARE /ORD/ VOR/DME 115.4 DEGREE
RADIAL/
14.6 DME), THEN WEST VIA THE EISENHOWER EXPRESSWAY TO THE INTER- SECTION
OF
THE DAN RYAN EXPRESSWAY (415232N/873844W OR THE ORD 118 DEGREE RADIAL AT
13.4 DME) THEN NORTH VIA THE DAN RYAN/ KENNEDY TO THE INTERSECTION OF
ASHLAND AVENUE (415454N/874004W OR ORD 110.2 DEGREE RADIAL AT 11.5 DME)
THEN
NORTH VIA ASHLAND TO THE INTER- SECTION OF IRVING PARK ROAD
(415716N/874010W
OR ORD 098.6 DEGREE RADIAL AT 10.7 DME) THEN EAST VIA IRVING PARK TO LAKE
MICHIGAN SHORELINE (415718/873828W OR ORD 097.4 DEGREE RADIAL AT 12 DME)
THEN SOUTH VIA THE SHORELINE EXCLUDING OLIVE PARK AND NAVY PIER TO THE
POINT
OF BEGINNING AT AND BELOW 3000 FEET AGL UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY ATC. AL
PEREZ,
773-838-0677, IS THE POINT OF CONTACT. ELGIN TRACON, (847) 608-5654, IS
THE
FAA COORDINATION FACILITY. WIE UNTIL UFN

--
Ben
C-172 - N13258 @ 87Y

I think its one thing to have reporting points that are confusing and quite
another to use these points in a TFR NOTAM. You can ask for help when in
the air and given a "unique" reporting point. Who do you ask for
clarification of a NOTAM? Unless you are talking to a FSS with local
Chicago knowledge, you are out of luck.

Another interesting point is how does ATC know where the TFR is? Does ATC
have streets on their scopes?

It's all silly and an encrediable waste. It doesn't make me or anyone else
any safer. Another example of perception being more important than reality.

Chuck Gerlach

"Rob Perkins" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:47:24 GMT, "Chuck Gerlach"
wrote:


Does anyone else think references to the EISENHOWER, DAN RYAN and KENNEDY
expressways are silly since aviation charts don't have these references?
I
had to pull out the State Farm Road Atlas to find references to these
names.

I think the references themselves are remarkably provincial. As a
visitor to Chicago I just plain *couldn't tell* what the radio traffic
reports were about, even though I knew the expressway numbers around
the area.

And you forgot the EDENS.

Rob :-)

"Chuck Gerlach" wrote in message
nk.net...
I think its one thing to have reporting points that are confusing and
quite
another to use these points in a TFR NOTAM. You can ask for help when in
the air and given a "unique" reporting point. Who do you ask for
clarification of a NOTAM? Unless you are talking to a FSS with local
Chicago knowledge, you are out of luck.

Another interesting point is how does ATC know where the TFR is? Does ATC
have streets on their scopes?

It's all silly and an encrediable waste. It doesn't make me or anyone
else
any safer. Another example of perception being more important than
reality.

Chuck Gerlach

Daley isn't much when it comes to common sense or intelligence.