Planning a trip

Saryon wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:28:26 GMT, "Jürgen Exner"
wrote:

Martin Hotze wrote:
If you are not a US citizen you should check into some sort of
corporation or holding as you are not allowed to own a N-reg
airplane not being a US citizen. (disregard when a US citizen)

Do you have a source/reference to a regulation/law/... about this?
I am sincerely interested because that would block any Permanent
Resident from owning an airplane or flight operation business.

From http://registry.faa.gov/faqac.asp (or go to
http://www2.faa.gov/avr/afs/infoforp...ners/index.cfm and cick on
the registration FAQ):
[...]

2. A resident alien;

3. A corporation other than classified as a U.S. citizen, lawfully
organized and doing business under the laws of the United States or of
any state thereof, if the aircraft is based and used primarily in the
United States; or

Ah, I see. Thank you very much.
So what Martin wrote ("must be US citizen") is actually wrong because he
left out items 2 and 3 which specifically allow a large number of non-US
citizen to own US-registered planes, too.

jue

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:43:31 GMT, Jürgen Exner wrote:

So what Martin wrote ("must be US citizen") is actually wrong because he
left out items 2 and 3 which specifically allow a large number of non-US
citizen to own US-registered planes, too.

Well, it is then owned by a corporation and not by the person. Small
difference. I made the difference and obviously brought up some
misunderstanding. Sorry.

#m

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Martin Hotze wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:43:31 GMT, Jürgen Exner wrote:

So what Martin wrote ("must be US citizen") is actually wrong
because he left out items 2 and 3 which specifically allow a large
number of non-US citizen to own US-registered planes, too.

Well, it is then owned by a corporation and not by the person.

Or by one of the millions of permanent residents.

Small difference.

Well, big difference if you are one of them.

I made the difference and obviously brought up some
misunderstanding. Sorry.

No problem. But I will sleep much better now after clearing up this
missunderstanding.

jue

"Saryon" wrote in message
...
Section 3 of the FAQ does say that foregin corps can own if the
aircraft is primarily used/based in the US. However, with the memo
they have on LLC's requiring 75% us citizen ownership, the FAA seems
to be contradicting themselves on their corporation statement

What makes you feel that the memo applies to anything other than section 1?

I find the regulation perfectly clear. A foreign-owned corporation, even if
100% foreign-owned, is fine as long as the corporation itself is a US
corporation and the airplane is *primarily* operated in the US. The
percentage of foreign ownership matters only if the corporation is to be
considered a "US citizen".

The only ambiguity I see is whether the third section means "lawfully
organized and (doing business under the laws of the United States)" or it
means "(lawfully organized and doing business) under the laws of the United
States". But that would only affect where the corporation needs to be
formed, not who owns it.

My apologies if some d's are missing from this post (and others). My
keyboard has just started to have problems (sigh).

Pete

Jürgen Exner said on 1/10/2004 23:28:

Martin Hotze wrote:

If you are not a US citizen you should check into some sort of
corporation or holding as you are not allowed to own a N-reg airplane
not being a US citizen. (disregard when a US citizen)


Do you have a source/reference to a regulation/law/... about this?
I am sincerely interested because that would block any Permanent Resident
from owning an airplane or flight operation business.

No, the rules allow US citizens and Permanent Residents to own N-registered
airplanes.
See
http://faa.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/faa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=HtR5D81h&p_lva=&p_faqid=130

-Joe

Saryon wrote:

I'm only puzzled as to why, if they did not care to ensure the
corporation was conrtrolled by US Citizens, they would bother to write
up a 2 page memo detailing a two pronged test including a requirement
that they required 75% control of an LLC by US Citizens, and then
going on to detail the various paperwork acceptable to meet the test.
If the company can be foregin owned/controlled, why would they care or
ask whether an LLC formed under the laws of any US State is controlled
by US Citizens?

The way I interpret the regulation, you can form a U.S. corporation that has 75%
U.S. ownership for the sole purpose of owning the plane. A foreign corporation
must be "doing business" if it wants to own a plane here.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

Saryon wrote:

I still think it's just easier to say it's easier for someone who's
not planning on having a perminant presance (via company offices or
moving themselves) here to just rent and avoid the hassle altogether

If you're planning to come to the U.S. and use the plane to tour the country
(which is what I believe the original poster intends to do), I know of no other
way to do it than to buy an aircraft.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

"Martin Hotze" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:58:02 GMT, Gerald Sylvester wrote:

I don't know about owning as I just got my PPL (on 12/17/03 ).
In the middle of my license I lived in Germany for 3 years. Basically
(if I had finished my license by then) I read it would take about
10-12 hours to get my German-JAA license.

it now takes about 100 hours. yes, I know, ridicolous.

"Michael Nouak" wrote in message
...

Am I reading this correctly? 100 hours to convert from FAA to JAA? Since
when?

That's a little misleading. You need to have 100 hours P1 to turn an FAA
PPL into a JAA one. The only incremental requirement is a checkride and a
couple of ground exams. Many states, such as the UK, validate non-JAA PPLs
automatically, so even if you don't do the conversion you can still fly
G-reg aircraft. Note that this doesn't apply to the IR.

Julian Scarfe

"Michael Nouak" wrote in message
...

That's a little misleading. You need to have 100 hours P1 to turn an
FAA
PPL into a JAA one. The only incremental requirement is a checkride and
a

Again: is this new? I sure didn't need those 100 hours P1 when I did my
conversion 2+ years ago...

New-ish. It came in with the transition from European national licences to
JAR-FCL. In the UK that happened about 4 years ago.

Julian Scarfe

"Michael Nouak" wrote in message
...

I don't think you can fly OE-reg with a JAA licence, but if you know
otherwise I'd appreciate it if you could tell me about that; I'm currently
thinking about converting my JAA CPL/IR to an ACG PPL/IR, but obviously,
if
don't have to do it I won't.

AFAICS Austria's a member of JAA and should accept licences issued under
JAR-FCL -- presuming we're meaning the same thing by JAA (Joint Aviation
Authorities). Definitely worth checking with ACG.

Julian Scarfe