Moving to CA

Ishrat Zahid wrote in message ...
I'm relocating to CA from MA in next few weeks and leaving my old flying
club here at LWM.
Wondering if I can get some good recommendation for flying clubs in the
bay area?
I'll be in Milpitas/San Jose area...
Thanks

/Nadeem


Just wait until you decide to buy a plane in CA. I paid more in "use
tax" for the Mooney I bought in Texas and brought back to CA than the
price of a moving map IFR GPS installed!

-Robert

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:10:29 GMT, "Cecil Chapman"
wrote:

Wow, I thought this was a rather innocuous thread; a relatively
safe place to post, but alas, I think someone was just insinuated
Oh jeez,,, it was all tongue-in-cheek. He IS classist though (wink)

And now you're insulting me... You will not be getting a checkmark next
to "Plays Well With Others" on your next report card, young man.

Ironically I was trying to give the original poster a frank and
hopefully helpful contrast between the two airports.. Just because I say
that PAO has more interesting airplanes to look at (please do look up
"personal opinion"), you're *still* taking potshots at me. I participate
in a lot of different on-line forums - many concerning aviation - and I
don't recall encountering anyone (at least recently) that is so prone to
be confrontational and offensive.

Jerk. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. "(wink)"

Dave Blevins

Most of the others I've spoken to say that the county is only doing a
month-to-month lease to make further growth/investment in the airport less
attractive. Maybe with the hope of showing that the airport is not a viable
economic feature and that it should be replaced with a mall or commercial
property.

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL
Student-IASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

Jerk. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. "(wink)"

Dave Blevins

Jeez,,, you're no fun anymore ;-)

Have a great weekend, anyway,,,,,,, Mr. Moneybags.... grin

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL
Student-IASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

I drive a non-luxury (though nice enough) car. Mustang
convertible.

You are an excellent human being, in my book!!! If you tell me that it is a
classic Mustang, then you will rate somewhere near 'divine being' ;-)

At Sundance there is no daily minimum. I can take an aircraft
to O22, camp three days, fly back, and pay for 2.5 hours on the
Hobbs.

I don't know Nice Air's policy, but a friend of mine who uses
Tradewinds tells me that long trips are simply not practical
based on their hours/day minimums.

Hmmm... I like that.. Yeah, most of the other local spots DO have a daily
minimum which can really get to be a bore if ya just want to fly down to San
Diego and hang around and play tourist for a few days. By the way O22 IS a
great visit! Always amazes me it is so 'close' by air.

Are there membership dues/fees at Sundance?

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL
Student-IASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -
"

"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
. com...
Most of the others I've spoken to say that the county is only doing a
month-to-month lease to make further growth/investment in the airport less
attractive. Maybe with the hope of showing that the airport is not a
viable
economic feature and that it should be replaced with a mall or commercial
property.



Does the county make any money off the airport, or is it run in the typical
manner where fees just cover airport expenses?

Earl G.

In article .net,
"Earl Grieda" wrote:

"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
. com...
Most of the others I've spoken to say that the county is only doing a
month-to-month lease to make further growth/investment in the airport less
attractive. Maybe with the hope of showing that the airport is not a
viable
economic feature and that it should be replaced with a mall or commercial
property.



Does the county make any money off the airport, or is it run in the typical
manner where fees just cover airport expenses?

Earl G.



The county pays for operations off the fees collected; they pocket all
the personal property taxes, possessory interest taxes (equivalent to
real estate tax on your hangar or tiedown spot) and their share of sales
taxes.

Then to add insult to injury, they credit NONE of those taxes to the
airports and claim that they are "subsidizing" the airports!
Incidentally, the taxes collected equal or exceed the amount collected
in feess.

When I was doin' my number on the County Board, I didn't go for keeping all the
airport taxes and fees in the airport fund. I simply pointed out the number of
transient aircraft we had per year, made a reasonable calculation of how many of
them stayed overnight, factored in the "bed tax" we have for local motels, and
made my case that THIS amount should be funneled into the airport fund.

Nobody did any checking to notice that this amount was roughly DOUBLE the amount
of taxes that were collected.


SSHHHHH...don't nobody say nuthin'. That budget item is still on the books up
here.

{;-)


Jim



Orval Fairbairn
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-The county pays for operations off the fees collected; they pocket all
-the personal property taxes, possessory interest taxes (equivalent to
-real estate tax on your hangar or tiedown spot) and their share of sales
-taxes.
-
-Then to add insult to injury, they credit NONE of those taxes to the
-airports and claim that they are "subsidizing" the airports!
-Incidentally, the taxes collected equal or exceed the amount collected
-in feess.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

Brenor Brophy wrote:

Nadeem,

The major GA airport serving San Jose/Milpitas is Reid Hillview (KRHV). You
can checkout it's home page at

http://www.reidhillviewairport.com/

I learned to fly at Tradewinds Aviation and then rented from them for about
5 months until I bought my own plane. There have a fairly good fleet of
aircraft from 172's up to twins. The maintenance is excellent, the
scheduling is online and works well. The rental rates are a little higher
than some other FBO's at the airport.

Reid-Hillview is an endangered airport and may not exist in the future when FAA
grant obligations are satisfied. There are numerous entities that would prefer
to redevelop this airport into other uses.

See http://www.reidhillview.com for a site whose author shares this view.

"Cecil Chapman" wrote:


[ on owning a quality American-made vehicle ]

You are an excellent human being, in my book!!! If you tell me that it is a
classic Mustang, then you will rate somewhere near 'divine being' ;-)

Alas, no, it's only six years new. I intend to keep it a good
while. Maybe one day it will achieve classic status.

Are there membership dues/fees at Sundance?

Yeah, unfortunatey there are. $35/month. Depending on
how much you fly, and how many trips you go on, it
can still come out to be a net win.

What is not a net win is being a member of several
flying clubs to get the peculiar benefits of each.
The memberships add up.

-- dave j