Bush still a pilot?

In article et,
"Chuck" wrote:

I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

He was non current due to his medical being overdue. Whoever said
"yanking" was ill-informed or ill intentioned.


1) Does the military issue and have control over military certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure... Also, if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

On graduation from AF flight school, there was available a short 25
question exam from the FAA in order to received a Commercial Instrument.

--
Ron

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

George W. is currently the highest ranking Bush pilot in the US.

Hilton

Chuck

Let me go over some points that will answer some of your questions.

1. When you graduate from the Air Force Pilot Training Schools
(program) you are given your wings and your records then show that you
are a rated pilot.

2. To fly a military aircraft after being rated pilot you need a
current (annual) physical and check out in type. If you are checked
out in type you also have to maintain currency which is another set of
rules.

3. As has been posted, you can normally take a simple FAA test on
Civilian Rules and receive a Commercial SE and/or ME license depending
on what you trained in (SE/ME or both).

4. If you don't have a current physical and/or currency you are
grounded but your rating is not taken away from you without 'board'
action (rare).

5. Since Bush got a clean bill of health when he left the Guard, there
was no cause to revoke his Military Pilot Rating.

6. If Bush wanted to fly a Military Aircraft now they probably would
let hem fly a dual control bird with an IP with him (like they did
going aboard the carrier where he flew some but did not make the
landing). As CIC he could probably force the issue even though he is
not 'current'. The secret service however might have a problem with
him doing that???? but I'd bet if he wanted to he would/could. Who
would tell him no )

I have seen nothing where he got a Commercial based on his Military
Pilot Training. If he did, the same civilian (FAA) rules apply as for
medical and check out for him to fly like any other civilian pilot.

Rain, low clouds and thunderstorms. Good time to hit the bar )

Big John

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:56:06 GMT, "Chuck" wrote:

I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure... Also, if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

Most of this discussion is carried on by folks who don't know what
they're talking about. In this case, "yanking" isn't what happened.
Bush did not take his flight physical in 1972 (presumably because he
wasn't in Texas but in Alabama), so he was grounded.

Interestingly, his last physical in 1973 showed him as "crew member on
flight status," so he presumably was either flying again or eligible
to do so, hence: no longer grounded.

I've looked into this hoo-hah with great diligence, and I have found
nothing to suggest that Bush flew an airplane after May 15, 1972, when
he cleared Ellington. Both his Texas unit and the one to which he
transferred in Alabama were phasing out the F-102A in 1972. He
evidently did not qualify in the replacement aircraft, the F-101B in
the case of Ellington.

http://www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm




all the best -- Dan Ford
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In a previous article, said:
Interestingly, his last physical in 1973 showed him as "crew member on
flight status," so he presumably was either flying again or eligible
to do so, hence: no longer grounded.

Would a pilot in a single person fighter be listed as "crew member"?
That's wierd.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Their constitution is unwritten, and is mostly based on common law and
practice. In other words, they do something wrong and it then becomes
the norm. -- Laurie Couturier, on the British legal system

Paul Tomblin wrote:

Would a pilot in a single person fighter be listed as "crew member"?
That's wierd.

No, that's normal. If the required crew is one person, then the pilot is the only
crew member. This is standard terminology in insurance, aviation, military, and
government (at least).

George Patterson
If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:44:30 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

Would a pilot in a single person fighter be listed as "crew member"?

I was told it was Air Force talk for qualified to fly (in any
capacity, perhaps).

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure... Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

Military check rides are renewed every 18 months, (when I retired),
A CURRENT military Form 8 and passing the Civil written test would get you a
Civil Commerical pilot cert from the FAA. Of course if all your training was
in T-37s and T-38s you were limited to multi engine centerline thrust until
you showed a different Form8. You could not fly Single Engine Land.


2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

Military "wings" get pulled when you screw up. But you have to meet a flight
review board. To fly military airacraft you have to have a current Form8 on
file for that aircraft.

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

In the military? his Form8 would have long expired.

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?


Instead of arguing about whether Bush is a pilot, you guys could just check
the FAA database.

George Walker Bush received a Commercial certificate for single engine and
multi-engine land airplane with an instrument rating on Dec 8, 1969. His
medical is not current and he has not informed the FAA of his current
address.

Pilot certificates never expire. However, he would need to file a change of
address, get a current medical certificate, and complete a flight review
before he could act as pilot in command of an aircraft.

There have been some stories of him flying a Cessna 172 and badly
mishandling it. However, the stories are told by people who are not pilots
and who have every incentive in the world for exaggerating things more than
a little bit. Even these stories admit that he was able to take off, fly
around, and land without hurting anyone or damaging anything. :-)