Another ID change for Smoketown? (37PA, Q08, S37)

In article ,
Jeff Saylor wrote:
Jeff Saylor wrote:
Now it changed yet again...why? Was there a problem with Q08--perhaps
being confused with somebody else in the area? (Most one letter- two
number airport IDs in Pennsylvania/ NJ begin with N.)

Looking further, a bunch of Q-number-number ID's have changed recently to
something else. Perhaps the FAA no longer likes identifers that begin with
Q? Still its strange that they just assigned one to Smoketown a few years
ago only to change it now.

South County (Q99) is changing to E16. The change is due to the
conflict with Q identifiers used on RNAV routes.

John
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John Clear wrote:

South County (Q99) is changing to E16.

1. When?
2. How do you know?

Thanks,

Hilton

"Hilton" wrote in
k.net:

John Clear wrote:

South County (Q99) is changing to E16.

1. When?
2. How do you know?

Thanks,

Hilton




I was informed of this change by the Director of Santa Clara County
Airports by email:

To all users of South County Airport (San Martin, California),
We have been notified by the FAA's National Flight Data Center that
effective on June 10, 2004 the South County Airport Identifier will be
officially changed from Q99 to E16. This change is due to a conflict of
Area Navigation Routes (RNAV) identifiers that begin with the letter "Q"
and airport identifiers that also begin with the letter "Q". The FAA will
notify all aerial chart manufacturers of this change, and new charts and
approach plates are expected to reflect this change in the next series of
publication releases. Please note this change for your records. The
County Airports staff will make the necessary changes in signage, websites
and other County documents as required.
Thanks,

Carl Honaker
Director
Santa Clara County Airports


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Marty Shapiro wrote:

"Hilton" wrote in
k.net:

John Clear wrote:

South County (Q99) is changing to E16.

1. When?
2. How do you know?

Thanks,

Hilton




I was informed of this change by the Director of Santa Clara County
Airports by email:

To all users of South County Airport (San Martin, California),
We have been notified by the FAA's National Flight Data Center that
effective on June 10, 2004 the South County Airport Identifier will be
officially changed from Q99 to E16. This change is due to a conflict of
Area Navigation Routes (RNAV) identifiers that begin with the letter "Q"
and airport identifiers that also begin with the letter "Q". The FAA will
notify all aerial chart manufacturers of this change, and new charts and
approach plates are expected to reflect this change in the next series of
publication releases. Please note this change for your records. The
County Airports staff will make the necessary changes in signage, websites
and other County documents as required.

I wonder why they don't synchronize this with the Sectional publication
dates. The next San Francisco chart will come out in early September.

An airport in NJ, Lincoln Park, had a pattern changed from right traffic to
left recently. That information came out late last summer, the November New
York sectional did not reflect the change. The new chart which came out this
month reflects the change.

Yes, it's a tough job changing those id's. The 100k a year guy spent
weeks on the S, and then there was the 3 and the 7, whew. Tough work,
but I guess that's why they get paid the big money.

Go to Alaska, the same airport has TWO id's (or at least they did, not
sure if they've cleared up that mess yet).

Apparently there is the FAA way and the ICAO way and sometimes they
are different. And do you put a K in front of the ones with a number?
Sometimes, I've seen programs where you do.

And another thing, you look on the WAC's and it says, Carlsbad (CA),
or maybe something else. Look in the Terminal charts, nope you won't
find them under Carlsbad, hmm, maybe San Diego? They have id's why
don't they use them? Noooo, they gotta use the NAME. I thought this
was the whole reason to have id's, so we don't have two names the
same.

Oh well, some things never change. Like, life is chaotic.

Jeff Saylor wrote in message ...
I noticed in the new New York Sectional (just came out a few days ago)
that the Smoketown, Pennsylvania (just east of Lancaster) has a new
identifier, S37.

Ok, identifiers change sometimes, but a few years ago Smoketown changed
from 37PA to Q08, presumably in the effort to make public use airports 3
digits.

Now it changed yet again...why? Was there a problem with Q08--perhaps
being confused with somebody else in the area? (Most one letter- two
number airport IDs in Pennsylvania/ NJ begin with N.)

What's even stranger is that 37PA was subsequently used by a heliport
(IIRC) and it is now the identifier for private use Roadcap Airport in
western PA, which was previously known as 31N. 31N has not been
reallocated as far as I can tell.

So what's with the musical identifiers? A secret evil plot by the GPS
database providers?

"Doug" wrote in message
om...

Go to Alaska, the same airport has TWO id's (or at least they did, not
sure if they've cleared up that mess yet).


K is used to prefix 3-letter airport identifiers only in the 48 contiguous
US states. The letter P is used in the Pacific region; Alaska uses A, F, O,
or P as the second letter of an ICAO identifier, Hawaii uses H. If the
first letter of an Alaskan 3-letter identifier is A, F, O, or P, then the
ICAO identifier can be the normal 3-letter identifier prefixed by P. An
example is Anchorage, the 3-letter identifier is ANC, the ICAO identifier is
PANC. If the first letter of an Alaskan 3-letter identifier is something
other than A, F, O, or P, then the ICAO identifier is usually created by
prefixing the first two letters of the 3-letter identifier by PA, PF, PO, or
PP. An example is Elmendorf, the 3-letter identifier is EDF, the ICAO
identifier is PAED.



Apparently there is the FAA way and the ICAO way and sometimes
they are different. And do you put a K in front of the ones with a
number?


No.



Sometimes, I've seen programs where you do.


Yes, some GPS manufacturers follow that convention, but a proper ICAO
identifier has no numbers.

In article ,
Jeff Saylor wrote:
I noticed in the new New York Sectional (just came out a few days ago)
that the Smoketown, Pennsylvania (just east of Lancaster) has a new
identifier, S37.

Oh NO! I just realized this is a new anagram of my home airport (7S3),
so now all 6 exist. The trip that includes all of them is MUCH longer.

My original geeky post about this:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...21%40rwcrnsc54

It raises the 7,S,3 roundtrip from 1472nm to 4237nm!

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

"Ben Jackson" wrote in message
news:RMqrc.4833$ny.958355@attbi_s53...
In article ,
Jeff Saylor wrote:
I noticed in the new New York Sectional (just came out a few days ago)
that the Smoketown, Pennsylvania (just east of Lancaster) has a new
identifier, S37.

Oh NO! I just realized this is a new anagram of my home airport (7S3),
so now all 6 exist. The trip that includes all of them is MUCH longer.

My original geeky post about this:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...21%40rwcrnsc54

It raises the 7,S,3 roundtrip from 1472nm to 4237nm!

Yes, I remember the original. Look at it this way...it could include
a trip which takes you to lots of interesting places on the way if
you don't just take the end point as the goal!

Paul