I hate cell towers

"m pautz" wrote in message
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In the old days, tower requirements were white and orange paint to bring
attention to the tower during the daytime and Blinking Red lights to
bring attention to the tower during the night time. (remember the white
and orange towers???)

Sometime in the 70's the rules were changed such that the towers did not
need the white/orange paint if they had 24 hour stobe lights.

Didn't that have something to do with visibility during fog (the strobes)?

Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"m pautz" wrote in message
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In the old days, tower requirements were white and orange paint to bring
attention to the tower during the daytime and Blinking Red lights to
bring attention to the tower during the night time. (remember the white
and orange towers???)

Sometime in the 70's the rules were changed such that the towers did not
need the white/orange paint if they had 24 hour stobe lights.


Didn't that have something to do with visibility during fog (the strobes)?



You're testing my memory; I can't remember the reasons. I used to be a
broadcast engineer at the time. All I remember was the advent of the
strobe in replacing the red flashing beacons. The strobes were so
bright that they could be visable during daylight hours and the need for
the white/orange requirement went away. I presume that the change was
strictly due the advancement of technology and the developement of high
power strobes. I am almost hesitant at posting this since it is a
presumption.

Marty Pautz
"promote a society that respects its elders; before it is too late"

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Increasingly, I am seeing strobes within red traffic lights, and even
within red octagonal stop signs. They do increase awareness, but of
course in the end will lead to accidents at the traffic lights / stop
signs that are not so equipped.

Just like when they added the third brake light to motor vehicles, there was
an increase in rear-end accidents with vehicles that didn't have the third
brake light.

Yeah, right. Your "of course" leaves something to be desired.

Pete

"m pautz" wrote in message
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Tom Sixkiller wrote:



Didn't that have something to do with visibility during fog (the
strobes)?



You're testing my memory; I can't remember the reasons. I used to be a
broadcast engineer at the time. All I remember was the advent of the
strobe in replacing the red flashing beacons.

Likewise...but I vaguely recall (my memory is going almost a fast as my
knees) at least one factor was that the strobes were much more visible
during fog.

I'm dead sure that the fog issue was not the ONLY one.

Or, was it just a dream? :~)


The strobes were so
bright that they could be visable during daylight hours and the need for
the white/orange requirement went away. I presume that the change was
strictly due the advancement of technology and the developement of high
power strobes. I am almost hesitant at posting this since it is a
presumption.

Most likely you're right...that the technology was there and they, wisely,
took advantage of it.

wrote:

How far are cell towers above AGL? The ones I have seen are only maybe a
couple hundred feet.

Typical height of a cell tower is 60'. Typical height of a PCS tower is 180'.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

Anton Ish wrote:

I had a funny thought - what if on landing you came in and say Mary
wrapped the wheels around a power line and your only salvation upon
finding out that you survived was the cell tower you had the township
remove?

He hasn't given any indication that he wants the towers removed. He wants the
*strobes* removed.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Well, if you have to worry about hitting a 200 foot tower five miles from
the airport, you are in deeper doo-doo than any strobe is going to help...

Not necessarily. That strobe could help correct a nasty case of lack of situational
awareness. Of course, that lack might also be corrected by an unlighted tower, but
the cure might prove fatal to the patient.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:02:42 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:



wrote:

How far are cell towers above AGL? The ones I have seen are only maybe a
couple hundred feet.

Typical height of a cell tower is 60'. Typical height of a PCS tower is 180'.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

The height is actually dependant on terrain. Typical values may be in
a flat land area, but where I live they are closer to 100 - 150 feet
high. I don't think this can be applied bas a rule of thumb beyond a
local area.

z

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
wrote:

How far are cell towers above AGL? The ones I have seen are only maybe
a couple hundred feet.

Typical height of a cell tower is 60'. Typical height of a PCS tower is
180'.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

My only reason for asking is this, if we are not supposed to fly lower the
500ft AGL, why would this be a concern? The only location I could see that
this would matter is in the approach path.

--
Mike Flyin'8

My only reason for asking is this, if we are not supposed to fly lower the
500ft AGL, why would this be a concern?

That's not true! Only in certain areas.