Aviation Videos, again...

Jay Honeck wrote:

Just to clear up this point: Calling it a "commercial website" implies that
we make money when the videos are viewed.

We do not.

And, before you even think it, I have yet to meet a guest who has listed our
"aviation video page" as the "place they first heard about the inn..."

That's not what this page is all about, and I certainly don't expect people
to visit the inn because of it.

Well why don't you humour me and contact the widows of the pilot,
co-pilot, and all the passengers and ask them what they think of your
attitude and actions.

Isn't that fair.

After all Jay - If you were personally contacted by one of those widows
and they asked you to remove those videos.... what would you do.

Michael 182 wrote:



Come on Martin, you are far from a usenet purist yourself, since you often
expouse your off topic views in this forum.

Martin hasn't posted two on topic posts in the last year.

john smith wrote:

Stay on topic, Shiver.
The subject is relevance.


Is there something that can be learned from viewing an aviation accident
video?

Perhaps there is John. But is a website for a motel the ideal spot to
learn that lesson.

Is there something that could be learned from viewing a video of your
own daughter being killed in a traffic accident.

Perhaps there is John. But would your wife and your other children like
to see a video clip being shown on Real TV, or a website for a motel.

You say the subject is relevance and I agree, so that's why I would
like to know what your wife thinks.

I am not a believer in the "halo effect".
Saying only good things about the dead doesn't change the fact that they
are responsible their death. Not talking about the facts doesn't bring
back the dead.
This "feel good", "politicly correct", "don't speak the truth" society
is getting too many people killed.
I don't really care what the relatives think.
If someone does something stupid and gets themselves or others killed,
there is a greater good lesson to be learned to save others.
Why do you want to ignore that fact?

Shiver Me Timbers wrote:
Perhaps there is John. But is a website for a motel the ideal spot to
learn that lesson.

So, you go a Bush/Kerry website to learn the facts about a candidate or
what the political party wants you to know? There are many websites out
there with content that has nothing to do with anything. Jay has an
aviation themed hotel, so his website has aviation content.

Is there something that could be learned from viewing a video of your
own daughter being killed in a traffic accident.

It doesn't make a difference. If there is a lesson to be learned and it
is teachable, use it. If other lives can be saved, yes.

Perhaps there is John. But would your wife and your other children like
to see a video clip being shown on Real TV, or a website for a motel.
You say the subject is relevance and I agree, so that's why I would
like to know what your wife thinks.

It doesn't make any difference. If I did something stupid and there was
a video of it, it's my fault for putting myself in the situation to
begin with. If someone having viewed the video were to confront a family
member about the contents of the video, my personal feeling is that it
would more negatively reflect on the character of that individual.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
om...

One thing to note: Our aviation video page does NOT link directly
to/from the "Cool Stuff" menu. Rather, it links directly to a menu
choice called, not surprisingly, "Aviation Videos."

No, there is, as you say, an intermediate link that is reached directly
from the "cool stuff" link called "aviation videos". Clicking on that,
you go to the crash videos. It's a direct path however, no matter how
you parse it. If you want to reach crash video, you have to go first
through "cool stuff".
Is it so hard for you to realize how absolutely innapropriate this term
is when it leads to aviation carnage?
I've already told you I'm not going to press you to change it, but don't
sit there and insult my intelligence by saying that it's not a direct
link. It IS a direct link. On your web site, if you want to view people
dying in airplanes, you start accessing that video by clicking a link
called "Cool Stuff".
It's 101 Jay! Keep it if you like it that way, but don't tell me I'm not
reading it the way it is. I AM reading it exactly the way it is!


So it's not like you click on "Cool Stuff" and go directly to aviation
carnage, as you frequently seem to imply.

I'm not implying anything. I'm telling you that it's a direct path. Just
because it has an intermidiate link in the middle with other options
doesn't mean that you don't start your path to aviation carnage by
clicking the term "Cool Stuff"


I suppose I could change the main menu item name to something else,
but, quite frankly, I can't think of another "catch-all" 2-word phrase
that sums up everything on that menu page so succinctly as "Cool
Stuff".

Do you REALLY want a "catch all" phrase like "cool stuff" as a lead in
to aviation crash video when you're telling all of us at the same time
that you're stressing the "educational value" and safety factors
involved with these crash videos?
It's just a suggestion Jay, but if I were you, I'd pick something a bit
more appropriate than "Cool Stuff", or do you REALLY want to press the
fact that you're showing the death of these people along with other
"cool things" on the same page and don't wish to make any
differentiation between the carnage and the other "Cool Stuff"
Why don't you kick this around a bit and possibly rethink this
situation?

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

Shiver Me Timbers wrote:

Well why don't you start by contacting the wives, spouses, and other
family members of everyone who died in those accidents, and explain to
them that you are an INNKEEPER in IOWA who uses newsgroups to promote
yourself and your business and that recently you have discovered that
you can bring more people to your website by showing gruesome videos of
airplane accidents where people are killed in a violent manner.

I'll actually fly to Iowa some day and stay at Jay and Mary's place
because I've been fortunate enough to get to know them personally, not
because of his signature line or what he puts on his website. I think
Jay has better business sense than to rely on newsgroups and the video
portion of his website for that oh so huge revenue potential.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

("Shiver Me Timbers" wrote)
Well why don't you humour me and contact the widows of the pilot,
co-pilot, and all the passengers and ask them what they think of your
attitude and actions.

Isn't that fair.

After all Jay - If you were personally contacted by one of those widows
and they asked you to remove those videos.... what would you do.

Mr. Timbers,

Your are obsessed with the whole widow thing - weren't any number of WWII
airplanes called Widow Makers or Flying Coffins? :-)

Anyway, tornado videos? Earthquake footage? Hindenburg footage? Scenes of
London burning during the Blitz? 1986 Challenger video from the chase plane?

Yes, there is a point where some video clips could reach the threshold of
being "too much." I don't know what that is exactly, but I feel Jay's videos
are still on this side of OK.

All of that said, I'm a guy who turns the channel any time local news plays
a 911 emergency tape. That's my personal limit being reached. Jay's videos
are fine by me, yet "Help operator, help. He's going to kill me" phone tapes
on the 10 PM news are not allowed in this house.

Montblack

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:52:15 -0600, Newps wrote:

Come on Martin, you are far from a usenet purist yourself, since you often
expouse your off topic views in this forum.

Martin hasn't posted two on topic posts in the last year.

for example just some minutes ago with a pointer for more "security"
measurements from the US government. IMHO this post is on topic.

#m
--
Somehow, some way, the Left trash talks "multi-national corporations" and
"big corporations" as if they were messengers of evil, when, in fact,
corporations represent the ultimate, perfect expression of communal
ownership of capital. (Jay Honeck in r.a.p.)

Jay Honeck wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion.

So, you ask for opinions and suggestions. You effectively dismiss all
opinions and suggestions (except for very very minor changes). You keep
these threads alive (over and over). You include your motel's URL as often
as possible, etc...

Jay, if you really want to make these videos available and you really aren't
doing this to advertise your motel, and you really value the opinions and
suggestions of fellow pilots in these newsgroups, go get a new
non-motel-related URL, remove the words "cool", "educational", etc... and be
done with these threads and let's get back to discussing aerodynamics, FARs,
how safe the new Sport Pilots will be and real aviation topics. Otherwise,
these threads and your posts just seem to be spam for your motel.

Well, that's my (last) opinion/suggestion for this thread.

Hilton

So, you ask for opinions and suggestions. You effectively dismiss all
opinions and suggestions (except for very very minor changes). You keep
these threads alive (over and over). You include your motel's URL as
often
as possible, etc...

If by "keeping these threads alive" you mean I respond to posts, I guess I'm
guilty!

But, gosh, I thought that's what this place was all about?

And, if you mean my signature line, sorry. It's evolved over my years here
from a simple "Iowa City, IA" to include the plane, and now the hotel. I
don't hide behind anonymity, and I invite everyone to come visit.

Can you match that?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"