How much lack of similarity in airliner flying?

Marco Rispoli wrote:

Best case scenario: a plane with a full automated autloand system (Cat IIIb
I think it's called)

Unless things have changed in recent years, there are very few runways
that are equipped with a Cat IIIb ILS.


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Chris W wrote

Marco Rispoli wrote:
Best case scenario: a plane with a full automated autloand system
(Cat IIIb I think it's called)

Unless things have changed in recent years, there are very few runways
that are equipped with a Cat IIIb ILS.

NOT required!
At least in the Boeing jetliners that I flew at PanAm. You are
confusing "Approach Categories" with "Autoland". In the B-727,
the autoland system functioned quite well from a CAT II ILS.
Our B-727 minimums were CAT II and if we saw any of the Part 91
"things" at or above minimums, we could just leave the autoland
engaged to touchdown.
Autoland IS required for CAT IIIb approaches but in my experience,
was optional for CAT II operations.

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727
PanAm (retired)

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
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Chris W wrote

Marco Rispoli wrote:
Best case scenario: a plane with a full automated autloand system
(Cat IIIb I think it's called)

Unless things have changed in recent years, there are very few runways
that are equipped with a Cat IIIb ILS.

NOT required!
At least in the Boeing jetliners that I flew at PanAm. You are
confusing "Approach Categories" with "Autoland". In the B-727,
the autoland system functioned quite well from a CAT II ILS.
Our B-727 minimums were CAT II and if we saw any of the Part 91
"things" at or above minimums, we could just leave the autoland
engaged to touchdown.
Autoland IS required for CAT IIIb approaches but in my experience,
was optional for CAT II operations.

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727
PanAm (retired)

Thanks for the clarification Bob.

As I said, I am unqualified and just going by what I am learning in IFR
basics ... and MS Flight Sim.



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"Bob Moore" wrote in message In the B-727,
the autoland system functioned quite well from a CAT II ILS.

During Cat II trials, my colleagues logged a successful Cat II with autoland
at an airport without a Cat II ILS.

D.

Capt.Doug wrote:
"Bob Moore" wrote in message In the B-727,
the autoland system functioned quite well from a CAT II ILS.


During Cat II trials, my colleagues logged a successful Cat II with autoland
at an airport without a Cat II ILS.

That's not too surprising. A Cat 1 ILS can be with in the limits of Cat
II, it's just not guaranteed to be that way all the time.

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"Bob Moore" wrote in message

NOT required!
......In the B-727,
the autoland system functioned quite well from a CAT II ILS.
Our B-727 minimums were CAT II ....

I concur.

John Gaquin
B727, B747

In article ,
Otis McNatt wrote:
If there happened to be an airline pilot
on board who was certified in any of the other Boeing models, from the
717 up the 747 and 777, but having no experience flying the 737, would he
have much of a problem landing the plane?

Hell, I could probably land it. But I can't tell you what systems are
powered by electrical bus B, or whether loss of hydraulic system A
renders the auto brakes inop. That's the difference between being a
pilot and having a type rating.

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On 27 Sep 2004 09:24:02 -0700, (Otis McNatt)
wrote:

For
instance, one could die of a heart attack, and the other, say,
of an aneurysm.

Especially in commuter aircraft flying with the cockpit door open (I
suppose they don't do that any more!) I have whiled away many a
satisfactory hour by taking over the controls and landing the plane
safely at a remote airport to the applause of the world.

The problem I always had was not in flying the aircraft, but in
getting the comatose pilots out of their seats. Have you considered
the problem there?

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"Otis McNatt" wrote in message
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Suppose *both* pilots in, say, a B-737, were to die in flight
[snip ]
So, suppose it did happen. If there happened to be an airline pilot
on board who was certified in any of the other Boeing models, from the
717 up the 747 and 777, but having no experience flying the 737, would he
have much of a problem landing the plane?

I'm sure that anyone with an ATPL and experience of some sort of airliner
would be able to get it on the ground, assuming that the systems were
functioning normally (i.e. you only had to contend with the mechanics of
approaches and landings, not broken flaps, hydraulic failures, etc). And a
friend who's a commercial pilot reckons that even a PPL with a decent amount
of experience stands a reasonable chance of landing something like a 737 so
long as there's someone on the radio telling him what buttons to push, what
speeds to use, etc, etc - though for a PPL the problem would be navigating
to the nearest suitable airfield using tools that probably aren't familiar.

This said, a flying instructor friend of mine has a relative who
transitioned from the B757 to the B747 a while back. No real problems except
that the first time he landed this much bigger aircraft, in which the pilot
sits much higher off the ground: "the ground happened rather sooner than I
expected it to".

D.

In article , David Cartwright wrote:
approaches and landings, not broken flaps, hydraulic failures, etc). And a
friend who's a commercial pilot reckons that even a PPL with a decent amount
of experience stands a reasonable chance of landing something like a 737 so

I can say first hand that's possible. I did the ATOP course when United
were running it in Denver (12 hrs of groundschool, and 1 hr flight time
in their Level D sim). The B737 just wasn't hard to land, nor was it
difficult to hand-fly an instrument approach.

I would say I've got good confidence that most PPLs who've flown a high
performance single could pull it off given instructions on what to push
over the radio.

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