how illegal am I?

(This from the pilot of a 1945 Aeronca Champ...)
No, of course not! It's just something else inside the airplane to
distract you from looking outside and enjoying the flight.

tony roberts wrote:
So If I read this correctly I don't actually need a redidio licence?
Do I even need a redidio?
Sorry - couldn't resist
Tony

tony roberts wrote:
There's only one "R" in AROW nowadays, you know. The missing one if for the redidio license.

--
Jim Fisher


So If I read this correctly I don't actually need a redidio licence?
Do I even need a redidio?

I gotta redidio...love listing to them old time redidio shows on it...
the Shadow, Life with Luigi, Dragnet...

Jim Fisher wrote:

There's only one "R" in AROW nowadays, you know. The missing one if for the
redidio license.

And there never was a W really. It only gets included in the required
in-flight docs by virtue of it being in the O.

One of those things where we'll come up the cute mnemonic first and then
find out what to stick in it.

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license.

Is this a problem? Should I apply to the FCC for a license, and if so,
what sort of license do I want?



Based on FCC rules 87.18 (b) and 87.89 (d) 4.

(
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...47cfr87.18.pdf

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...47cfr87.89.pdf )

you are illegal only if you operate the station outside the USA.

As many have pointed out, Canada rarely, if ever, asks to see the licenses.
In any case, since pretty much all equipment in use is to FCC standards
anyway, I doubt that they will care much about equipment, unless it was
somehow faulty. You would probably be called on the lack of a Station
license only if they decided they had to inspect you because you were
splattering over adjacent frequencies or something like that, and even then
I am betting you would only be in trouble if the equipment was
non-FCC-compliant.... modified, or homebrew, or something like that....

Canada still does, however, require the radio Operator's license for its own
pilots.... so I am betting that you would be called on the lack of an
Operator's license (rule 87.89) before you would be called on the Station
license. Again, they probably won't care to check your Operator's license
unless you display improper technique....

"Icebound" wrote in message
...

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license.

Is this a problem? Should I apply to the FCC for a license, and if so,
what sort of license do I want?



Based on FCC rules 87.18 (b) and 87.89 (d) 4.

(

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...47cfr87.18.pdf


http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...47cfr87.89.pdf )

you are illegal only if you operate the station outside the USA.

Ah yes, the FAA requires us to have a station license if we are in Canada
where the FAA has no authority. Another fine example of our government in
action.

As many have pointed out, Canada rarely, if ever, asks to see the
licenses.
In any case, since pretty much all equipment in use is to FCC standards
anyway, I doubt that they will care much about equipment, unless it was
somehow faulty. You would probably be called on the lack of a Station
license only if they decided they had to inspect you because you were
splattering over adjacent frequencies or something like that, and even
then
I am betting you would only be in trouble if the equipment was
non-FCC-compliant.... modified, or homebrew, or something like that....

Canada still does, however, require the radio Operator's license for its
own
pilots.... so I am betting that you would be called on the lack of an
Operator's license (rule 87.89) before you would be called on the Station
license. Again, they probably won't care to check your Operator's license
unless you display improper technique....

What do Canadian regulations say regarding station and operator licenses if
a US citizen brings a private plane into Canada?

Ah yes, the FAA requires us to have a station license if we are in Canada
where the FAA has no authority. Another fine example of our government in
action.

Actually there is a valid reason for this. Since the Canadian counterpart to
the FAA requires a license, we must also require our citizens flying through
canada to have one. You are under the jurisdiction of Canada if you get
caught without a license. The FCC is helping you out.

"Greg Butler" wrote in message
.. .

Ah yes, the FAA requires us to have a station license if we are in
Canada
where the FAA has no authority. Another fine example of our government
in
action.

Actually there is a valid reason for this. Since the Canadian counterpart
to
the FAA requires a license, we must also require our citizens flying
through
canada to have one. You are under the jurisdiction of Canada if you get
caught without a license. The FCC is helping you out.


And as I understand it the license costs $50 but the fine in Canada for not
having a license is $25. I think the FCC is helping itself out.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
om...

"Icebound" wrote in message
...

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license....snip...

you are illegal only if you operate the station outside the USA.

Ah yes, the FAA requires us to have a station license if we are in Canada
where the FAA has no authority. Another fine example of our government in
action.


Remember that Radio rules are governed by International Agreement. The USA
and Canada choose not to enforce certain aspects of the licensing
requirement within their own borders, but once you wander Internationally,
they are supposed to comply with the International agreement.


As many have pointed out, Canada rarely, if ever, asks to see the
licenses.
....snip...

What do Canadian regulations say regarding station and operator licenses
if
a US citizen brings a private plane into Canada?



Radiocommunication Regulations, Jan 2002, Rule 12:
Radio apparatus used in a mobile station that is licensed or exempted by the
responsible
administration of another country is exempt from the application of
subsection 4(1) of the Act if
the mobile station is used for communications with stations licensed or
exempted in Canada or
that other country and if
(a) the operator is a citizen of that other country; and
(b) a reciprocal agreement that allows similar privileges to Canadians
exists between that
other country and Canada.


An undated (but post 9/11) statement from the Canadian licensing authority
states that "negotiations were entered" with the USA in 1999 to create such
a "reciprocal agreement" but they were never completed, ----and the official
position is that the licenses (station plus operators) are required----.

The statement goes on to say that it is a good idea for Canadians to have
their Station/Operators licenses in order if traveling to the USA in a post
9/11 era, if only as another validation of ID.

Cub Driver wrote:

Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license.

No license is required for broadcasting from an aircraft since about 1996.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Cub Driver wrote:

Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license.

No license is required for broadcasting from an aircraft since about 1996.

Except when abroad. An FCC Licence is needed to operate a radio in an N reg
aircraft in the UK and Europe (mine arrived yesterday) and we need a licence
to operate a radio in a G reg aircraft.