Biometric I.D.s

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"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
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When was the last time you were asked for your pilot's license as a form
of
identification? European driver's licenses look like our pilot
certificates
because they have national ID cards that are more like our passports.


BTW did you notice that in the Intelligence bill there was also a provision
to make the Dept. of Homeland Security responsible for ensuring that all
drivers license conform to national requirement of ID? Basically DHS will be
developing a national ID. Which makes me wonder why we need another
identifier on our certificates.

At least the biometric they are talking about at this point is a photo. I
just hope they let us submit photos and not makes us show up at the FSDO for
a picture to be taken.

Scott

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"I can accept that Bush won the election. What I have a hard time
swallowing is that I live in a country where more than half the
population is willfully ignorant, politically obstinate, religiously
prejudiced, and embarrassingly gullible."

Don't forget the few foreign students wo still brave the 'improved' visa
requirements in order to train in the US, who won't have any of these in
place

-Barney

"John T" wrote in message
m...
Allen wrote:

Every state has the requirement for a photo on your drivers license.
And the FAA already has access to your driving information, why can't
they use your DL photo on your pilot certificate? My wife has a
employee photo ID at DFW airport. We recently moved and she updated
her drivers license online (Texas). When her DL came in the mail it
had her DFW Airport ID photo on it. They can link it all together if
they want to.

It's easy enough for a Texas airport authority to link up with the Texas
Department of Motor Vehicles (or whatever the agency is named) to exchange
information. However, trying to do that with 50 potentially completely
different systems is quite another matter. This doesn't even consider the
possibility of lack of digital storage and exchange capability by the
state.

With that said, biometric identity is only going to become more prevalent.
I'm not necessarily opposed to having a means of proving "I am me".
However, the state having the ability to track my whereabouts or private
companies having the ability to identify me on a whim (without my
approval)
is not a good idea, IMO. The former is an invasion of privacy and the
latter opens the door to targeted spam the likes of which the Internet
wished it had (Spielberg's "Minority Report" shows a sampling of what
could
be).

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"Icebound" wrote in message
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"tony roberts" wrote in message
news:nospam-446053.00313715122004@shawnews...
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So why the hell do the Brits get fingerprinted and photographed but
Canadians don't?

Is there nowhere in the US that teaches diplomacy 101?
Frankly I'm baffled.



Because money is the *only* diplomacy.

Massachusetts alone, exports 2.2 Billion with a B to Canada per year. The
total two-way trade is close to 450 Billion "the largest bilateral
exchange in the world", according to Canada's Trade Commission web site.

A Google search on ...USA "exports to Great Britain"... gets exactly *one*
hit. Add the separate word "statistics" and you get no hits at all.

Now I am sure that the USA must sell *something* to GB, but the internet
is sure silent about it.

Is it possible that it is not very much?

Nothing worth buying

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
...

"Icebound" wrote in message
...

"tony roberts" wrote in message
news:nospam-446053.00313715122004@shawnews...
...
So why the hell do the Brits get fingerprinted and photographed but
Canadians don't?

Is there nowhere in the US that teaches diplomacy 101?
Frankly I'm baffled.



Because money is the *only* diplomacy.

Massachusetts alone, exports 2.2 Billion with a B to Canada per year.
The total two-way trade is close to 450 Billion "the largest bilateral
exchange in the world", according to Canada's Trade Commission web site.

A Google search on ...USA "exports to Great Britain"... gets exactly
*one* hit. Add the separate word "statistics" and you get no hits at
all.

Now I am sure that the USA must sell *something* to GB, but the internet
is sure silent about it.

Is it possible that it is not very much?




A little dated but very easy to find...

http://www.usitc.gov/er/nl2000/ER0828X1.HTM

August 28, 2000
News Release 00-114
Inv. No. 332-409
The ITC, an independent, nonpartisan, factfinding federal agency, recently
completed the report for the U.S. Senate Committee on Finance. Following
are highlights of the report:


a.. In 1998, the United Kingdom (UK) imported over $100 billion in goods
and services from the three North American countries and exported about
$65 billion to North America. The United States is the UK's single largest
trading partner and accounts for about 90 percent of the UK's trade with
North America.



I guess the US will have to fingerprint a token Canadian for every 6 Brits
to keep it fair :-)

tony roberts wrote:
I think our country is being taken over by a
bunch of paranoid freaks.

No it isn't. If you pull the lion's tail, you must expect to get
bitten.



I see it differently.

A bunch of monkeys pulled the lion's tail. Some of them died, others
hid.
The lion decided to bite members of it's own family.

DD

"Andrew Tubbiolo" wrote in message
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Hey All:

So it looks like we are all going to get fingerprinted, iris
scanned, and who know what else. Is this news to anybody? How
much opposition is there to the new ID requrements? What do you
folks think and feel?

I'm creeped out. I think our country is being taken over by a
bunch of paranoid freaks.

http://www.eaa.org/communications/ea...tificates.html

Yep. Pretty soon we will be a "Minority Report" society. Everywhere you go
your eyeballs will be scanned, the cops will be able to seize control of any
vehicle you are riding in, and you can get arrested for crimes you haven't
committed yet.

Andrew Tubbiolo writes:

I'm creeped out. I think our country is being taken over by a
bunch of paranoid freaks.

It's worse than that.

Read Bill Moyer's acceptance speech upon receiving Harvard Medical
School's Global Environment Citizen Award
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1206-10.htm

Some excerpts:

James Watt told the U.S. Congress that protecting natural resources
was unimportant in light of the imminent return of Jesus Christ. In
public testimony he said, 'after the last tree is felled, Christ will
come back.'

A war with Islam in the Middle East is not something to be feared but
welcomed - an essential conflagration on the road to redemption.

....you will see how millions of Christian fundamentalists may believe
that environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but
actually welcomed - even hastened - as a sign of the coming
apocalypse.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:32:40 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Tubbiolo
wrote in ::

I think our country is being taken over by a
bunch of paranoid freaks.

The Bush/Cheney administration might qualify:

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http://bigjweb.com/artman/publish/article_806.shtml

Total Surveillance Equals Total Tyranny
By Tom DeWeese
Aug 21, 2003, 14:49

In the name of fighting terrorism a new kind of government is being
implemented in Washington, D.C. We are witnessing the birth of a
powerful multi-billion dollar surveillance lobby consisting of an army
of special interest groups, Washington lawyers, lobbyists, and
high-tech firms with wares to sell.

The personal rights of American citizens, protected until now by the
Bill of Rights, are the farthest thing from their minds as they seek
to fill their pockets while enabling government to monitor and control
our lives to a degree unheard of prior to September 11, 2001. This
army seeks riches as it pushes for laws and regulations to spy on and
control the lives of law-abiding Americans.

The Government Electronics and Information Technology Association
(GEIA) reports that there are more than 100 federal entities involved
in forging the largest conglomeration of government-private contractor
interests since the creation of the Pentagon. GEIA represents hundreds
of corporate members seeking to cash in on the Homeland
Security-citizen-surveillance-spending spree.

GEIA told the news media that the “needed technologies include those
providing digital surveillance, data mining, advanced encryption,
smart cards, censors and early warning and profiling tools.” In
September 2002, dozens of major high tech companies formed the
“Homeland Security Industries Association”. A key objective of the
association is to win a piece of the action for the creation of
national ID cards for travelers.

The November 25 edition of Business Week reported that the SAS
Institute is among many corporations scrambling to launch a whole new
line of anti-money laundering software designed to help insurance
companies, investment banks and brokerage firms spy on their clients’
financial activities on behalf of the government in compliance with
the Patriot Act.

According to Bert Ely, the head of a consulting company for financial
institutions, the new anti-money laundering provisions of the Patriot
Act will do nothing to stop the financing of international terrorists.
At best, he says, the new provisions will actually provide evil doers
with a road map to avoid detection.

What the new Patriot Act provisions are really about, says Ely, is to
have the United States fall into line with an international campaign
being waged by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development and the Financial Action Task Force against countries that
serve as tax havens. The newly enacted regulations are being applied
in the name of fighting terrorism, but are really about a different
agenda.

In mid-September 2002, the U.S. Department of Commerce and the Office
of Homeland Security held an exposition in Washington. Medium and
small firms from across the nation were invited in to showcase the
very latest in citizen surveillance wares. This tradeshow and others
like it have attracted hundreds of corporations who’ve shown their
high-tech products to top government planners responsible for creating
and implementing new restrictions on privacy in the name of “national
security.”

PoliticalMoneyline says that 444 groups and individuals have
registered as lobbyists to deal with “terror” and “security” issues.

IBM has opened a “Government Solutions Center” in Vienna, Virginia.
The high-tech Unisys Corporation has established a similar exhibition
for inspection by federal surveillance planners, called the “Homeland
Security Center for Excellence.” Both corporations are racing to cash
in on billions of dollars for facial recognition systems at airports,
and in anticipation of “trusted traveler” cards, a high-tech ID tied
to extensive background checks and biometric identification.

In February 2003, it was discovered that the Department of Justice was
drafting legislation to radically expand the reach of the federal
government into the lives of every American citizen. The official
title of the document is the “Domestic Security Enhancement Act of
2003. It’s been given the nickname, Patriot 2. The bill has not yet
been introduced in Congress and only a very few key government leaders
including Vice President Cheney and House Speaker Dennis Hastert have
reviewed it.

It is suspected by many that the delay in officially offering the bill
to Congress is a direct result of public attacks on the bill by
privacy advocates, but it is feared that the Justice Department would
get very bold in rushing it through should another terrorist attack
occur.

Here are just a few of the more frightening provisions of Patriot 2.
By definition in the bill, almost any American citizen can arbitrarily
be designated a terrorist. Section 101 of this act will give the
executive branch the power to declare any American a “foreign power”
and therefore not a citizen. Those designated will be exempt from the
protections of the Constitution.

Keep in mind that the Patriot Act was passed by Congress, sight
unseen, in the middle of an Anthrax scare. Every member of Congress
was warned that if they failed to pass it then the next terrorist
attack would be on their hands.

That’s why the Patriot Act allows for wiretaps without warrants. And
it’s why all the other surveillance a-go-go is in full swing. In the
name of fighting terrorism, our government has gained the ability to
see our every movement, inspect every transaction, and walk into our
homes without our knowing it.

For those of you who feel protected; who feel the government is just
doing its job to defeat terrorism, I’m very sad to tell you that our
government is not being honest with us. Terrorism is the excuse, not
the motivation, for the massive drive toward Big Brother.

We are not being protected. We are being wrapped in a cocoon of
tyranny. All of the signs are there. Consider the power which we have
now granted to the federal government twenty years down the road,
driven by more technological developments that we can’t even pretend
to foresee.

Imagine the America that you are allowing the government to create for
your children. What will their lives be like? Will they know freedom
or oppression? We are making those decisions for our children today.

The only way to make sure that government doesn’t abuse its power is
to not grant it in the first place.



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Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,

I never knew paranoia was as popular as acrophobia amognst pilots.

On 16 Dec 2004 10:37:25 -0800, "WildBlueYonder76"
wrote in om::

I never knew paranoia was as popular as acrophobia amognst pilots.

The word 'paranoia' may not be the word you're looking for here,
unless you characterize a citizen's real loss of the right to judicial
due process as a delusion.


Main Entryaranoia
Pronunciation:*par-*-*n*i-*
Function:noun
Etymology:New Latin, from Greek, madness, from paranous demented,
from para- + nous mind
Date:circa 1811

1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of
persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations
2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward
excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of
others
–paranoiac \-*n*i-*ak, -*n*i-ik\ also paranoic \-*n*i(-i)k,
-*n*-ik\ adjective or noun
–paranoically \-*n*i(-i)-k(*-)l*, -*n*-i-k(*-)l*\ adverb