taking off for the first time

"Rob Montgomery" wrote:

use a long runway and have the student take off just enough for
the wheels to leave the ground and then immediately touch down?

...you would be amazed at how difficult it actually is.
...it forces the student to rapidly transition from takeoff
attitude to landing attitude while handling the winds.
(Disclaimer - while this is a great lesson for a day where you
otherwise might not be flying due to weather, make sure the
ceilings are high enough that you could go around if you have to.
I've seen people do these with 100-foot ceilings in non-gyro
aircraft, and it makes me nervous.)

Thanks a lot.
nrp's post I think suggests it's like a reverse touch and go.
Have fun.

Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?

Sure, but the extension cord's pretty expensive.

You can also use one of those IR ports and post wirelessly, though
you'd need a pretty powerful beam to reach the ground. A high powered
laser ought to be able to deliver the bandwidth you'd need for Usenet
posting while piloting an aircraft.

Jose
r.a.student trimmed
--
Money: What you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

John Doe wrote:
I have never piloted an aircraft.

Me neither. I've not done flight simulation either. The one Dutch guy I
contacted for a 777 sim said it'd cost a minimum of USD 12000

I do flight simulation from time to
time. Currently I am messing with radio controlled aircraft. There
are
simulators for that also.

Best to come to Khartoum, Sudan. There are an unbelievable amount of
disused aircraft lying around in the airport here. I've my eye and
thoughts on buying an old YAK-40. And the rules for buying and trying
out a hand at flying aren't too strict either, though I doubt it'd be
as comparably prudent as buying a guitar and starting to learn on it
:\

Having only simulation experience, but I'm wondering about how
piloting
is taught. Getting to the point, why not use a long runway and have
the
student take off just enough for the wheels to leave the ground and
then immediately touch down?

That doesn't sound like the first exercise you want a trainee doing. A
touchdown immediately following takeoff isn't the easiest or prettiest
thing to do. Landing involves planning the descent and approach, which
is what I think the accent would (and should) be more on.
Just my 0.02,

Ramapriya

It would overwhelm you.

Taking off a foot or two, then touching down is an advanced maneuver.

Andy



On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:11:36 GMT, John Doe
wrote:

I have never piloted an aircraft. I do flight simulation from time to
time. Currently I am messing with radio controlled aircraft. There are
simulators for that also.

Having only simulation experience, but I'm wondering about how piloting
is taught. Getting to the point, why not use a long runway and have the
student take off just enough for the wheels to leave the ground and
then immediately touch down?

Again, inexperienced with the real thing, but isn't landing so
difficult/critical to warrant special treatment like that?

Trainer runways are not long enough?
The wear and tear would be too much?
That maneuver would be too difficult for a beginner to coordinate?

Genuinely curious. Thank you.

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:11:36 GMT, John Doe
wrote:

why not use a long runway and have the
student take off just enough for the wheels to leave the ground and
then immediately touch down?

Well, landing is more difficult than taking off, so it's a good idea
to get that firmly in hand before tackling the more difficult task.

Still, the French (and therefore the Americans) used a similar
technique in WWI. The plane was called a Penguin because it couldn't
fly.

You got it, pointed it to the other side of the field, and roared off.
Once there, it was turned around and you or somebody else roared back
to the starting point.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:53:03 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?

Sure, but the extension cord's pretty expensive.

My kids made a brief stop in Seal yesterday at Annapolis. They climbed
up onto the radar platform (atop the stern gantry) with their laptops
and downloaded their email from a wi-fi node that someone had
conviently left open.

www.expeditionsail.com

John Doe ) wrote:
: "Matt Barrow" wrote:
: "John Doe" wrote in message
:
: Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?
:
: That's coming pretty soon, though many people can now from airliners.
:
: I understand that limited Internet service is available via mobile
: phones, but can you reference any post ever to Usenet while flying?

The right wifi gear and you should be able to post from over about
any town in the world.

And yes posting has been done from light airplanes. Search for
warflying which is realted to wardriving which is the hobby of
looking to see how many wifi access points you can find while
driving.

-tim
http://web.abnormal.com

In a previous article, (Tim Hogard) said:
John Doe ) wrote:
: "Matt Barrow" wrote:
: "John Doe" wrote in message
: Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?
:
: That's coming pretty soon, though many people can now from airliners.
:
: I understand that limited Internet service is available via mobile
: phones, but can you reference any post ever to Usenet while flying?

The right wifi gear and you should be able to post from over about
any town in the world.

I have a friend who used to post to Usenet (alt.folklore.urban) from
Concorde using their sky phones. This was back in the early to mid 90s
when even laptops were pretty rare. He used to joke about how many
thousands of dollars he was costing his company just to make a lame joke.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Which ISPs provide write-only Usenet access?
From the state of Usenet in general? All of them.
-- J.D.Baldwin and Derick Siddoway

"John Doe" wrote
I'm wondering about how piloting is taught. Getting to the point, why not
use a long runway and have the student take off just enough for the
wheels to leave the ground and then immediately touch down?

This guy is either a kid or a troll, retarded or all of the above. He is in
a few other groups (rec.models.rc.helicopter and air). He is asking stupid
questions like " aren't fast spinning propellers blades dangerous"

"plonk"

Richard

"Jose" wrote in message
m...

This excercise would not teach what you think it would. Much of the
"trick" to landing is the approach, and in order to teach how to approach
the runway, you need to be far enough away from it, and pointing in an
appropriate direction. One then flies a pattern (generally one flies
parallel to the runway, and then makes a squarish u-turn while descending
and adjusting speed, flaps, and other controls. If you do this right, the
next "trick" is learning when to flare and by how much. This requires
learning the "sight picture" of what the runway looks like when close on
approach. This is different from what it would look like just after
takeoff.

One thing sometimes done in training is to approach and then fly a few
feet above the runway. This helps new pilots learn not to overcontrol.

btw, there's no such thing as a "trainer runway". Student pilots use
regular runways, and mix with regular air traffic. They just have an
instructor aboard until they can handle that much on their own.

Jose
(r.a.student retained, though I don't follow that group; I'm on
r.a.piloting)
--
Freedom. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

George,

Hmm, the Brits used airplanes that were capable of flight, but only in
ground effect and in a straight line. Once the student had done "solo
straights" he was moved into an airplane where he could climb and make
turns. Claude Graham-White's school is described in _The Eighth Sea_
by Frank T. Courtney, who worked there and learned to fly just prior to
the start of WWI and later flew combat in the war.

You are probably correct that the penguins could not leave the ground
at the French schools. They also used airplanes that would not climb
out of ground effect for the solo straight training, as did the Brits.
All the best,
Rick