Postponed 3 students due to TSA

I've been able to get birth certificate records by phone contact to the
county the are filed in, or in the case of some.. by web request. Granted
each time took a week or two to complete the mailing to my residence. I did
not have to fly 3000 miles to retrieve such records in person.

As for Scenario #2... I agree.. the help desk person has not a clue... but
it's not a matter of "solo" it's a matter of receiving training...

We are already directing all recent contacts that have inquired about
training to bring notarized copy for us to see, and a copy (of any type) to
keep, or just give us the notarized copy.

BT

"Burt Compton" wrote in message
...
Scenario # 1: I've got 2 guys (with FAA SEL Pilot Certificates) who
planned to
come to Marfa, Texas for glider training next week. Neither has a US
Passport
nor can they obtain a Certified Copy of their Birth Certificate because
they
are told you need to go to your home town or county to obtain it in person
from
the Clerk's office. Both of the guys tell me they are US Citizens, but
there's
no time to obtain TSA required documents in time to start training with me
next
week. Even though your FAA Pilot Certificate lists your Nationality, it
is
not a valid form of ID according to the TSA "help" desk. TSA tells me I
cannot
train them. I wonder if they are giving out consistent advice?

Scenario # 2: Third student is a local 13 year old youngster. Hopes to
solo
on 14th birthday over the Christmas Holidays. Has no previous glider
training
except great RC model flyer. Been reading books and watching soaring
videos.
No Passport. Mom working on getting an original certified copy of his
birth
certificate from out of state. TSA "help" desk has no idea what I'm
talking
about. Advised me that no one can fly solo under age 16. Looks like TSA
doesn't understand gliders - or at least the advisor I talked with was not
aware.

I guess we will have to advise our students well in advance of coming to
fly
with us to get their documents in order. The spontaneous days of the
touring
airplane pilot who sees a gliderport and wants a spur-of-the-moment
introductory dual glider flight are gone, unless they are carrying a US
Passport. The kid that learned to be your line crew last weekend will
not get
their first dual glider flight as a reward for their work. I wonder how
CAP is
dealing with this?

Looks like every American at every age should obtain and carry a US
Passport.
Makes life easier to carry your "papers". But then again, I'm not
trained to
detect forged Passports.

Burt
Marfa, Texas

I thought this was the US.....not the USSR.....oh that is
right.....communism is dead.........maybe!!!!


"Burt Compton" wrote in message
...
Scenario # 1: I've got 2 guys (with FAA SEL Pilot Certificates) who
planned to
come to Marfa, Texas for glider training next week. Neither has a US
Passport
nor can they obtain a Certified Copy of their Birth Certificate because
they
are told you need to go to your home town or county to obtain it in person
from
the Clerk's office. Both of the guys tell me they are US Citizens, but
there's
no time to obtain TSA required documents in time to start training with me
next
week. Even though your FAA Pilot Certificate lists your Nationality, it
is
not a valid form of ID according to the TSA "help" desk. TSA tells me I
cannot
train them. I wonder if they are giving out consistent advice?

Scenario # 2: Third student is a local 13 year old youngster. Hopes to
solo
on 14th birthday over the Christmas Holidays. Has no previous glider
training
except great RC model flyer. Been reading books and watching soaring
videos.
No Passport. Mom working on getting an original certified copy of his
birth
certificate from out of state. TSA "help" desk has no idea what I'm
talking
about. Advised me that no one can fly solo under age 16. Looks like TSA
doesn't understand gliders - or at least the advisor I talked with was not
aware.

I guess we will have to advise our students well in advance of coming to
fly
with us to get their documents in order. The spontaneous days of the
touring
airplane pilot who sees a gliderport and wants a spur-of-the-moment
introductory dual glider flight are gone, unless they are carrying a US
Passport. The kid that learned to be your line crew last weekend will
not get
their first dual glider flight as a reward for their work. I wonder how
CAP is
dealing with this?

Looks like every American at every age should obtain and carry a US
Passport.
Makes life easier to carry your "papers". But then again, I'm not
trained to
detect forged Passports.

Burt
Marfa, Texas

This isn't Communism; it's Fascism. Communism is about
economic organization; Fascism is about behavioral
control. I despise both.


At 01:06 21 October 2004, Bgmiff wrote:
I thought this was the US.....not the USSR.....oh that
is
right.....communism is dead.........maybe!!!!


'Burt Compton' wrote in message
...
Scenario # 1: I've got 2 guys (with FAA SEL Pilot
Certificates) who
planned to
come to Marfa, Texas for glider training next week.
Neither has a US
Passport
nor can they obtain a Certified Copy of their Birth
Certificate because
they
are told you need to go to your home town or county
to obtain it in person
from
the Clerk's office. Both of the guys tell me they
are US Citizens, but
there's
no time to obtain TSA required documents in time to
start training with me
next
week. Even though your FAA Pilot Certificate lists
your Nationality, it
is
not a valid form of ID according to the TSA 'help'
desk. TSA tells me I
cannot
train them. I wonder if they are giving out consistent
advice?

Scenario # 2: Third student is a local 13 year old
youngster. Hopes to
solo
on 14th birthday over the Christmas Holidays. Has
no previous glider
training
except great RC model flyer. Been reading books and
watching soaring
videos.
No Passport. Mom working on getting an original certified
copy of his
birth
certificate from out of state. TSA 'help' desk has
no idea what I'm
talking
about. Advised me that no one can fly solo under
age 16. Looks like TSA
doesn't understand gliders - or at least the advisor
I talked with was not
aware.

I guess we will have to advise our students well in
advance of coming to
fly
with us to get their documents in order. The spontaneous
days of the
touring
airplane pilot who sees a gliderport and wants a spur-of-the-mome
nt
introductory dual glider flight are gone, unless they
are carrying a US
Passport. The kid that learned to be your line crew
last weekend will
not get
their first dual glider flight as a reward for their
work. I wonder how
CAP is
dealing with this?

Looks like every American at every age should obtain
and carry a US
Passport.
Makes life easier to carry your 'papers'. But then
again, I'm not
trained to
detect forged Passports.

Burt
Marfa, Texas

Nyal Williams wrote:
This isn't Communism; it's Fascism. Communism is about
economic organization; Fascism is about behavioral
control. I despise both.

Splitting hairs. Communism cannot be upheld unless
you have fascism as well. Communism also means the
stranglehold of pointless bureaucratic hell in all
areas of life. The comparison to communist systems
is perfectly valid.
CV

CV wrote:
Splitting hairs. Communism cannot be upheld unless
you have fascism as well. Communism also means the
stranglehold of pointless bureaucratic hell in all
areas of life. The comparison to communist systems
is perfectly valid.

Just remembered a good example of this. During the
communist times, in Roumania you needed a licence
to own a typewriter !

.... and that's the kind of system you're all headed for ...

Cheers CV

CV wrote:

CV wrote:

Splitting hairs. Communism cannot be upheld unless
you have fascism as well. Communism also means the
stranglehold of pointless bureaucratic hell in all
areas of life. The comparison to communist systems
is perfectly valid.


Just remembered a good example of this. During the
communist times, in Roumania you needed a licence
to own a typewriter !


Yes, and you had to deposit a sample page of said
typewriter with the secret police, so you can be
identified, in case you write anything the government
doesn't approve of. Good old times... ;^)

Regards,

Iwo

CV wrote:

Nyal Williams wrote:
This isn't Communism; it's Fascism. Communism is about
economic organization; Fascism is about behavioral
control. I despise both.

Splitting hairs. Communism cannot be upheld unless
you have fascism as well.
...


Depends what is the definition of Communism. I heard
some avocates of the kibbutz system in Israel saying that
this was the true communism. It may disputed if this true
as well as if it is a successful economic organization,
but as an economic organization it is a kind of communism.
However, as far as I know, it doesn't imply fascism.

Robert Ehrlich wrote:
CV wrote:
Splitting hairs. Communism cannot be upheld unless
you have fascism as well.

Depends what is the definition of Communism. I heard
some avocates of the kibbutz system in Israel saying that
this was the true communism. It may disputed if this true
as well as if it is a successful economic organization,
but as an economic organization it is a kind of communism.
However, as far as I know, it doesn't imply fascism.

Could be so. I know nothing about the kibbutzes.
I was talking about whole countries.
CV

Depends what is the definition of Communism. I heard
some avocates of the kibbutz system in Israel saying that
this was the true communism.

I don't think true communism is heavily subsidized by the USA.

Jim Vincent
N483SZ
illspam

Thanks all for the replies.

The reason I asked this, is that in some European contries, Diesel is
much, much cheaper than AVgas or Mogas. "Red" diesel is untaxed and
illegal for road use, but a towplane doesn't operate from roads.
Besides, diesel engines also run on Jet A-1, which here has tax
advantages, at least at the time.

Our club actually has a winch (most clubs in Holland do), but we cannot
use it during airport operation (=thermal) hours since we operate on a
busy, narrow airstrip with powerd aircraft operations. As AVGas is
getting very expensive (not only here, I guess...), the usual
Robin/Husky/... tow planes become more and more uneconomical. We now use
a Super Dimona (Katana Xtreme) to tow even our Janus C and ASH-25 from
the grass strip, but in heavy crosswind we sometimes can see the cars
too near below us. This motorglider however seems to be the only way to
keep our tow costs reasonably down.

At least for this part of Europe, I think a Diesel in a Robin-like
airframe would be a very nice replacement. Let's see what the near
future brings.

Olfert
Hornet A7