glassholes

On 16 Feb 2005 06:39:51 -0800, wrote:

It might be a misunderstanding and fixable.

Once someone has left, it's never fixable. When the door opens to let
them out, it's too late to do anything. Hindsight is always 20/20,
but always pretty useless if ignored. They _may_ return, but the
timer is ticking. You don't have two chances, blow the first one and
it's over for eternity.

Greybeard

I don't know we are still giving this thread the time of day.

The sport is NOT dying. There are some people that can sit and bitch about
it all they want, but in the end, the sport will always appeal to a certain
crowd. I'd say for myself, that as other soaring sports mature, people will
find their way to us and our beautiful sport. Yes, it costs some dollars to
play. But there are numerous sailplanes of varied price ranges and I
personally have never heard a negative comment made at any gliderport, about
the equipment guys show up with. I think that's all crap...on the few
occasions I've seen guys show up with old, ratty or out of date equipment,
it is generally accompanied by some nice older European gentleman who rigs
and leaves and puts some of the locals to shame and then politely goes about
his way...

We are going to attract new members, because we are going to try to...each
of us is aware that we need new blood and should try to make some level of
effort to involve a new person.

People who leave the sport are inevitable. But I'll say...they never loved
soaring the way I love soaring, or they could simply never fathom leaving.
I'm sorry they are offended because not everyone can afford it...but for
those of us fortunate enough to do so...we are blessed to be involved in the
greatest thing I've ever experienced. Anyone who leaves or quits can choose
to offer constructive commentary to help others...or choose to be
destructive...we all know and understand the difference and should take the
adverse comments with a grain of salt.



Steve.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:02:23 +0000, Bill Gribble
wrote:


Unless it happens to be Lenny the Lurker we're talking about.

I do believe I've signed my postings several times as:
Greybeard/Lennie
Which you seem incapable of even copying correctly.
But I've been using the Greybeard for almost six months, the time that
I signed on with supernews. Part of the benefit was being able to use
Agent and to set up an email addy that will only result in bounces,
kept my mailbox from becoming a spam box.

Not that it matters, three years and three months is not an age.

It matters less, my bill for sbcglobal went from $30 to $50 this
month, and there isn't another viable ISP available, Road Runner has
proven twice that they can't keep simple user names separated, they've
been trashed twice because I was getting someone elses email, as well
as my own, and vice versa.

Any returns that I might have looked for from the expense have
disappeared completely. $50 for usenet and the few emails I get is
more than a little extravagant, well into the range of idiocy.

Greybeard

On 16 Feb 2005 10:45:51 -0800, "
wrote:

Steve, well said.

Soaring probably demands more from a person than most pastimes - in
time, money, sweat, study, frustration, patience, etc.

Wrong. It demands the same as any other HOBBY, but with almost no
manual skills. It is not in any position above even a game of winks.
When you've spent three or more hours painting one 3/4" high HO scale
figure, talk to me about patience. Of course, you would probably buy
them already painted, although you'd never have exactly what you
wanted, where I will. More money, I won't argue, but it's the only
way that soaring stands out.

Greybeard.

Greybeard/Lennie said..."Wrong. It demands the same as any other HOBBY, but
with almost no
manual skills. It is not in any position above even a game of winks.
When you've spent three or more hours painting one 3/4" high HO scale
figure, talk to me about patience. Of course, you would probably buy
them already painted, although you'd never have exactly what you
wanted, where I will. More money, I won't argue, but it's the only
way that soaring stands out.

Greybeard. "


Blah blah blah.....I could care less....just whine to yourself...like I
said...and it's good to hear you admit...You don't love it the way I do...so
just keep yapping it up, I for one could care less...I'll just concentrate
on the folks who ARE interested and toss your drivel where it belongs...As
an aside, anything that any person enjoys, is fine with me...just enjoy your
trains and be happy for gods sake and quit droaning on like a broken
record...we've read it...we get it...You don't like it....OK fine!! that and
two $2.99 buys you the Bic Mac Special at McDonalds...and to say there are
no manual skills required, indicates to me...you must never have been worth
a crap as a sailplane pilot or you'd never say such a dumb comment in the
first place.


I swear...I give up on this thread...it's like that accident...where you
know you shouldn't look, but you can't help it...


Steve.

On 16 Feb 2005 21:07:24 GMT, Steve Hill
wrote:


..we've read it...we get it...

And nobody has bothered to look and see if any of what I've said in
fact is widespread. The reason is simple, it's easiest to look for an
external solution for an internal problem.

.and to say there are
no manual skills required, indicates to me...you must never have been worth
a crap as a sailplane pilot or you'd never say such a dumb comment in the
first place.

First ask me if I give a **** what I flew like. How well I flew makes
no difference now, it's relevant to nothing. Most are probably better
pilots than I was, but there are a lot of them that are not in the
same condition, I'm still living.

And if you'd quit trying to elevate soaring above any other hobby, and
admit that it's only another hobby, maybe you wouldn't drive people
out as fast as they come in. I have many interests, soarning was only
one, and not so great that I could justify sacrificing everything else
for. Those three years were pure stupidity. It's when I finally
realized that soaring WAS only another hobby, but one that was
preventing me from doing any of the others that I finally came to my
senses.

NOw if I could convince the one that keeps wanting me to come fly with
him, as a ballast weight in a 2-33, it would be alright. After three
years, one would think he'd get the idea that it isn't going to
happen.

Well, soaring pilot, maybe not.

Greybeard

Please quit replying. Let the thread die a nice death. It takes at
least two to keep this going.

Some people just make a hobby out of bitching. The original whiner got
lost in the Lennie shuffle. Greybeard? Again, what's wrong with using
your NAME? It's so easy to sit behind a keyboard and pour out your sad
testimonial about how you were never accepted. WWAAAAAHHHH!!!!

I just want to know your name so if ever introduced to you I won't
stick out my hand. I'd just want to turn and walk off, so please, give
me that opportunity.

The truth is that if you look at any situation, you'll find both good
and bad. You can accentuate either, and make it your truth. I'm a Pik
driver. Think I'll find acceptance among the 27b croud? Probably not?
Am I going to cry about it? Probably not... I'm going to go out and
practice. I'm going out to win some sports class events. I'm going out
to be a better soaring pilot. I would encourage you to do that but
regardless of what you do, you'll not be happy because someone didn't
kiss your ass. As to your being ballast in any glider I'm in, I'd
rather have the lead. It's personality would probably be more to my
liking.

And MY NAME is...

Jack Womack

On 16 Feb 2005 18:04:40 -0800, "Jack" wrote:

I just want to know your name so if ever introduced to you I won't
stick out my hand. I'd just want to turn and walk off, so please, give
me that opportunity.

My name is Richard, and the only chance you would ever have had of
being introduced to me would have been at the Beloit, Wisconsin
airport. That chance is gone and will never be available. I'd give
you my last name, but there are five in the state with the same first
and last name. You might make sure you get the right one.
(Hint: if they're at the airport, it ain't me.) You'll just have to
avoid everyone named Richard.

I would encourage you to do that but
regardless of what you do, you'll not be happy because someone didn't
kiss your ass.

Nope, sorry, not the way it is. I rather think my best moment,
after being offered a "free ride" in the Lark was waiting until the
plane was off with a customer, nobody else on the field, then getting
in my truck and leaving. Right after that, I think refusing a flight
in the Grop 103SL. I was supposed to be paying for a flight in a
2-33, and that's what I wanted. (Last summer, never happened, even
though I was on the schedule a couple of days, and was there.)
Nothing is free, and I'm not going to be the one that's carrying debt.

If it's any consolation to you, March 9 will be the end of the billing
period for sbcglobal, and I called in the cancellation this afternoon.
With service becoming worse and worse, and the cost going up, I don't
see myself even looking for another ISP.

Greybeard

wrote:
Anyway, if you are going to quit, then do it like a man, dammit,
instead of hanging around and whining about it.

One of the real problems with growing or maintaining our sport is
retention of people we have attracted and spent resources on to train.
When someone leaves, such as described above, we need to know why so it
does not get repeated. The club, or operator, or whatever that this
person felt rejected from needs to know they got it wrong.
I think he should not go quietly,...

Er...Not in this case. He not only didn't go quietly, he didn't stay
quietly and he didn't enter quietly. Greybeard / Lennie the Lurker /
nobody@nowhere / numerous other aliases not only told all of us at
length over many months why he had left, he also told us over almost as
long a period why he was going to leave and even earlier, he took as
long to tell us why he was thinking he might leave even though he hadn't
really started. Nearly every visit to the field was preceded by weeks
of email angst.

Google r.a.s. for those aliases and you'll see what I mean. Kirk spoke
for a lot of people.

..but should let them know why he felt
excluded. It might be a misunderstanding and fixable.

It's a misunderstanding. They thought he was reasonable. It's not fixable.

GC

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