Procedure turn required?

Yossarian wrote:
I was using a Frasca 141 sim today with an instructor when this
question came up. Fullerton CA (KFUL) VOR-A approach. At WILMA on
V64, flying the full approach. Do you need to turn outbound at the
VOR for the procedure turn?

Instructor says no because a Victor airway leads to the IAF. I say
yes because even though that's true, "No PT" is not listed on that
feeder route.

If, after evaluating that the altitude/heading that your arrival ends up at
the IAF/FAF will not require a procedure turn for alignment or altitude
considerations, the best solution would be to advise ATC that you wish to
make a straight in approach rather than fly the published procedure turn.
If that is not practical you should advise ATC that you plan to make the
published procedure turn. Either decision should be passed on to ATC for
traffic separation and aircraft control. (it also has the benefit of helping
insure ATC won't file some procedural violation against you).

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Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
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"Darrell S" wrote in message
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If, after evaluating that the altitude/heading that your arrival ends up
at the IAF/FAF will not require a procedure turn for alignment or altitude
considerations, the best solution would be to advise ATC that you wish to
make a straight in approach rather than fly the published procedure turn.
If that is not practical you should advise ATC that you plan to make the
published procedure turn. Either decision should be passed on to ATC for
traffic separation and aircraft control. (it also has the benefit of
helping insure ATC won't file some procedural violation against you).

Not necessarily. According to the FARs and the AIM, the only way ATC can
exempt you from an otherwise required PT is if they vector you to final.
Otherwise, the regs apparently call for you to execute the PT; and (as
discussed in another thread here recently) you must comply with the regs
even if ATC gives you a clearance that is contrary to the regs.

--Gary

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:06:48 -0500, Yossarian
wrote:

I was using a Frasca 141 sim today with an instructor when this question
came up. Fullerton CA (KFUL) VOR-A approach. At WILMA on V64, flying the
full approach. Do you need to turn outbound at the VOR for the procedure
turn?

Instructor says no because a Victor airway leads to the IAF. I say yes
because even though that's true, "No PT" is not listed on that feeder
route.


Well, for what it is worth. I just got back from SIMCOM where my
instructor there actually lived and flew out of KFUL for over 20
years. I brought this up to him and he said that if you do use WILMA,
then the procedure turn is required. He also made the comment about
how busy seal beach VOR is and that it is used for a variety of other
approaches for other airports.


Scott D.


Scott D.