Raptor vs Eagle

George Patterson wrote:
gregg wrote:


That 8 to one ratio was not against planes of equal capability. You
cannot count on the bad guys having planes only as capable as the
F-15/F-16.


Well, at the present time, you can count on them flying something
inferior to the F-15/F-16. Given the economic situation in Russia, it
doesn't look like Sukhoi or MiG is going to be changing that anytime soon.

So where can I find out how F-15/F-16/F-18 do against MiG-29, Su-31,
Mirage, Eurofighter, Griffon?

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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gregg wrote:

That 8 to one ratio was not against planes of equal capability. You
cannot
count on the bad guys having planes only as capable as the F-15/F-16.

Well, at the present time, you can count on them flying something inferior
to
the F-15/F-16. Given the economic situation in Russia, it doesn't look
like
Sukhoi or MiG is going to be changing that anytime soon.

Really? When has the economic situation in Russia/USSR ever mattered much in
the past? (And, NO, 1991 is only an example that lasted barely ten years).

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:54:58 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

Looks like Lockheed's got another winner. (I just hope it isn't the last
manned fighter aircraft...)

well, for me this stuff is more a weapon than a plane. I don't like
weapons. And I don't like armed planes at all, doesn't matter if they are
old or new or historic.

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Martin Hotze wrote:

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:54:58 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:


Looks like Lockheed's got another winner. (I just hope it isn't the last
manned fighter aircraft...)


well, for me this stuff is more a weapon than a plane. I don't like
weapons. And I don't like armed planes at all, doesn't matter if they are
old or new or historic.

Why?

Matt

Jay Honeck wrote:
Did anyone else catch the History Channel's "Modern Marvels: The F/A 22
Raptor" last night?

What an amazing plane. The Air Force did a head-to-head combat exercise,
one Raptor versus EIGHT F-15 Eagles. The Eagle pilots were all experienced
combat pilots, all with time in the Raptor as well -- so they knew the
tactics, and what to expect.

Didn't matter. One by one, the Raptor shot them ALL down. In post sortie
interviews the F-15 pilots said they never even SAW the Raptor, visually or
with radar. All they knew is that they were suddenly dead.

8 versus 1! And this against arguably the best fighter (and pilots) in the
world.

Looks like Lockheed's got another winner. (I just hope it isn't the last
manned fighter aircraft...)

I still don't get it. From what I've read the last real dog fight was
in Korea. Air-to-Air attacks today involve firing at a dot on a screen
with the actual target being way far away, like a hundred miles. It is
the electronics that lets this happen and that is independent of the
airframe and missiles. Of course, even if it is useless, I would love
to fly one!

"Stubby" wrote:

I still don't get it. From what I've read the last real dog fight was
in Korea.

Then you haven't read anything on the subject published in the last few
decades.

Air-to-Air attacks today involve firing at a dot on a screen with the
actual target being way far away, like a hundred miles. It is the
electronics that lets this happen and that is independent of the
airframe and missiles.

Electronics by themselves have yet to win an air-to-air combat, as far
as I know.

Of course, even if it is useless, I would love to fly one!

It's not useless, just ridiculously expensive.

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In a previous article, Stubby said:
I still don't get it. From what I've read the last real dog fight was
in Korea. Air-to-Air attacks today involve firing at a dot on a screen

Don't tell Randy Cunningham that.

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In a previous article, Stubby said:
I still don't get it. From what I've read the last real dog fight was
in Korea. Air-to-Air attacks today involve firing at a dot on a screen

Paul Tomblin wrote:
Don't tell Randy Cunningham that.

"The only reason the F-18 was built is because components are produced
in 49 of the 50 states." - Randy Cunningham at a lecture given at the
USAF Museum in 1980's.

john smith wrote:

In a previous article, Stubby
said:
I still don't get it. From what I've read the last real dog fight was
in Korea. Air-to-Air attacks today involve firing at a dot on a screen

Paul Tomblin wrote:
Don't tell Randy Cunningham that.

"The only reason the F-18 was built is because components are produced
in 49 of the 50 states." - Randy Cunningham at a lecture given at the
USAF Museum in 1980's.

One wonders what his opinion is as to the reason the F-16 was built.

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"The only reason the F-18 was built is because components are produced
in 49 of the 50 states." - Randy Cunningham at a lecture given at the
USAF Museum in 1980's.

One wonders what his opinion is as to the reason the F-16 was built.

Actually, one of the graphics shown in the History Channel's show
depicted the number of states contributing components to the Raptor.

It, too, has parts originating from almost every state, thus assuring
that each senator and representative has a vested interest in the
construction of this awesome machine.
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