Helios 737 crashed with student pilot at controls - from Google News

He may taken a full load of fuel earlier in the day on the mainland and
not refueled in Larnaca, Cyprus.

"Newps" wrote in message
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George Patterson wrote:

Scott Skylane wrote:


It does strike me as strange that if the aircraft ran out of fuel,
there was a postcrash fire big enough to need helicopter water drops
to stop it. I can envision small blazes caused by a few gallons of
unuseable fuel, but I gotta wonder...


Well, the plane went down only a few hours after takeoff. Perhaps
there was plenty of fuel in other tanks if the guy flying it had
known how to switch tanks?

He was reading this other thread about running a tank dry and really
balled it up.

doing.The actual cause of the crash was running out of fuel.

So after the "Arrival", what was burning? Al




"sfb" wrote in message news:6s7Oe.3982$Hi.3468@trnddc04...
After Airport I, II, III etc. etc. everybody knows any crew member with a
few simple directions from the ground can land a passenger jet on a CVN.

Seriously, the autopsies show the passengers were alive and probably
unconscious so it isn't beyond the possibility that a steward went into
the cabin to ask what was happening and then tried to do something. The
question that needs answering is where was the pilot and what was he
doing.The actual cause of the crash was running out of fuel.

"Frankie" wrote in message
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I dunno...but this story's hard to believe....

Frankie

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 02:22:34 GMT, Dave S
wrote:



Ron Garret wrote:



Yes, but it seems unlikely that he could (or would) have flown a holding
pattern.

rg

The FMS entered the hold after overflying the destination at altitude.
Sounds like it flew the lateral part of an approach, missed approach and
hold.

Not that it really matters, but was it a real FMS driven racetrack
holding pattern, or was it just circling over what would have been the
last waypoint loaded up in the plan pre departure? Generally, how
early does one get the STAR (if any), and approach assignment to put
into the box? In this case, how early would they have put it in,
assuming they had enough time/sense to put it in considering the lack
of O2?

"GF" == Greg Farris writes:

GF The information gap on this crash is wider than the Grand
GF Canyon, and bodes ill for a full disclosure at any time. First
GF the F16 pilots say they saw the pilot absent and the FO
GF slumped over the controls - then they say they saw someone
GF else attempting to fly the plane

The *press* is saying this stuff. I doubt very much the pilots are
changing their story. The press is probably to blame for the changing
stories, along with bureacrats who might know something but don't have
permission to say it, so they drop hints to the press. No need for
conspiracy theories.

"James Robinson" wrote in message
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"sfb" wrote:

The Greek investigators say the plane ran out of fuel.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/22plane.htm

Just a minor point. The authorities have said that the engines stopped
because of fuel starvation. They didn't say the plane ran out of fuel.

Regardless of the configuration of any cross-feed valves, it is not possible
for any series 737 to have both engines stopped because of fuel starvation
without the plane running out of fuel.