Hurricane relief

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"Gary Drescher" wrote:

(Surely it is not implausibly conspiratorial to suggest that
national political campaigns explicitly try to put an appealing spin on
their messages.)

yes. In fact, all national political campaigns do that, from the most
left-wing liberal stuff to the most right-wing conservative stuff, as well
as all the wacko stuff that wouldn't fit logically into such a spectrum.

and don't call me ... ;-)

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

"Bob Noel" wrote:
(Surely it is not implausibly conspiratorial to suggest that
national political campaigns explicitly try to put an appealing spin
on
their messages.)

yes. In fact, all national political campaigns do that, from the most
left-wing liberal stuff to the most right-wing conservative stuff, as
well
as all the wacko stuff that wouldn't fit logically into such a
spectrum.

What makes me want to weep is the number of my fellow citizens who fall
for this crap. People seem to yearn to have their prejudices stroked,
and select their information sources accordingly, so that they are not
confronted with anything that might-God forbid-cause them to have to
rethink their views of the world.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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They would have had access to emergency medical treatment except
they attempted to hijack ambulances and loot hospitals.

Are those two "they"s meant to be the same? That is, are you claiming that
all--or even a nontrivial fraction--of the people who lacked access to
emergency medical treatment are the same people who had attempted to hijack
ambulences or loot hospitals? Presumably not; there's no evidence to support
such a claim.

What then *do* you mean? That "they" who couldn't get emergency care had the
same skin color as "they" who hijacked ambulences, so that you feel entitled
to just refer to all of "them" interchangeably? Because I really don't see
any other way to parse what you wrote.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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They would have had access to emergency medical treatment except
they attempted to hijack ambulances and loot hospitals.

Are those two "they"s meant to be the same? That is, are you claiming that
all--or even a nontrivial fraction--of the people who lacked access to
emergency medical treatment are the same people who had attempted to
hijack
ambulences or loot hospitals? Presumably not; there's no evidence to
support
such a claim.

'They' as in residents of NO. Instead of pulling together and helping each
other many of 'them' decided to act like animals preventing the rest of
'them' from receiving the help 'they' needed. Why is it 'they' didn't go
out and help their fellow citizens instead of looting and committing other
crimes?

What then *do* you mean? That "they" who couldn't get emergency care had
the
same skin color as "they" who hijacked ambulences, so that you feel
entitled
to just refer to all of "them" interchangeably? Because I really don't see
any other way to parse what you wrote.

You spend way too much time listening to Jesse and Al.

--Gary

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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'They' as in residents of NO.

Really? Let's do a quick thought experiment. Imagine if the (tens of
thousands of) people who couldn't get medical care were all white, and the
(handful of) attempted ambulence hijackers were all black. Would you still
have said of the residents of N.O. in general, "They would have had access
to emergency medical treatment except they attempted to hijack ambulances
and loot hospitals."? That is, would you still have phrased it in a way that
falsely suggests that the victims somehow had themselves to blame for the
hijacking attempts?

Why is it 'they' didn't go out and help their fellow citizens
instead of looting and committing other crimes?

What on earth leads you to assume that the vast majority did not in fact
help one another rather than committing crimes?

--Gary

What on earth leads you to assume that the vast majority did not in fact
help one another rather than committing crimes?

What's kind of interesting, in this whole thing, is that CNN (the supposed
"liberal" news outlet ) has been showing endless video of blacks looting and
shouting gibberish at the cameras, essentially since "Day One." It's hard
to imagine black people being presented in a worse light.

Fox News, on the other hand (the supposed "conservative" news outlet) has
been showing the same footage, but also spending many more hours covering
the *positive* aspects of the disaster recovery, showing all of the good
people who have pulled together in the face of adversity.

(This coverage tactic, by the way, mirrors Fox's coverage of the war in
Iraq -- the same coverage that has infuriated the Left as being "namby
pamby" war coverage. It seems that they always try to show one good thing
for each bad thing they cover -- although I have no idea if that's a
conscious decision, or just my impression. )

Sadly, I know all of this because I just spent the last 3 days dealing with
my mother-in-law's death, which meant endless hours sitting in hotel rooms
and FBOs, watching wall-to-wall Katrina coverage... Regardless, I find it
fascinating that the "Conservative Channel" has been much more positive
about the way Louisiana and Mississippi residents have been handling their
disaster.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

What's kind of interesting, in this whole thing, is that CNN (the supposed
"liberal" news outlet ) has been showing endless video of blacks looting and
shouting gibberish at the cameras, essentially since "Day One." It's hard
to imagine black people being presented in a worse light.

That fellow who killfiled you was correct, you are a racist. It
speaks volumes that you see black people shouting at cameras but all
you can hear is "gibberish". Do they also all look the same to you?
For your information, that shouting was a desperate plea for food and
water. I heard it quite clearly. That you choose to characterize
their pleas as "gibberish" is classically racist. You are a
despicable character.

Jay Honeck wrote:


Sadly, I know all of this because I just spent the last 3 days dealing
with my mother-in-law's death, which meant endless hours sitting in hotel
rooms

My deepest condolences, Jay.

--
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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'They' as in residents of NO.

Really? Let's do a quick thought experiment. Imagine if the (tens of
thousands of) people who couldn't get medical care were all white, and the
(handful of) attempted ambulence hijackers were all black. Would you still
have said of the residents of N.O. in general, "They would have had access
to emergency medical treatment except they attempted to hijack ambulances
and loot hospitals."? That is, would you still have phrased it in a way
that
falsely suggests that the victims somehow had themselves to blame for the
hijacking attempts?

I have no idea what you are talking about.


Why is it 'they' didn't go out and help their fellow citizens
instead of looting and committing other crimes?

What on earth leads you to assume that the vast majority did not in fact
help one another rather than committing crimes?

--Gary

"Dave Stadt" wrote:

'They' as in residents of NO. Instead of pulling together and helping each
other many of 'them' decided to act like animals preventing the rest of
'them' from receiving the help 'they' needed. Why is it 'they' didn't go
out and help their fellow citizens instead of looting and committing other
crimes?

You are obviously unable to distinguish the lawless actions of a few
hundred people from the lawful actions of 50+ thousand people. In
that, you are not unlike a number of other misguided talking heads in
this newsgroup. In truth, the vast majority of the 50+ thousand who
remained in the city after the storm did exactly as they were told and
in a lawful manner over several days of unspeakable hardship. And
yes, they did help each other as was evidenced each day in the news
coverage. That you choose to pretend otherwise makes it no less so.

You spend way too much time listening to Jesse and Al.

I seriously doubt that Mr. Drescher spends much time listing to either
of those people but I expect he listens to them on occasion because
enlightened people seek all views. Mr. Drescher seems quite
enlightened.