Logging Approach Question

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:34:11 -0400, "pgbnh" wrote:

If I am flying VMC,
other than simulated (with appropriate SP), then flying by instrument
reference is wrong (and stupid).

Except for a moonless. cloudy night over water (or desert), where you may
be legal VFR, but with no outside references.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Agreed. My reference was to flying simulated (under the hood) in vmc without
a SP
"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:34:11 -0400, "pgbnh"
wrote:

If I am flying VMC,
other than simulated (with appropriate SP), then flying by instrument
reference is wrong (and stupid).

Except for a moonless. cloudy night over water (or desert), where you may
be legal VFR, but with no outside references.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

In article ,
Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:34:11 -0400, "pgbnh" wrote:

If I am flying VMC,
other than simulated (with appropriate SP), then flying by instrument
reference is wrong (and stupid).

Except for a moonless. cloudy night over water (or desert), where you may
be legal VFR, but with no outside references.

Been there. Done that. I agree.

It is actually possible to have IMC with no clouds around at all.
Out here in the desert southwest (NM, AZ), on a moonless night away from
the cities and towns, the ground is, quite literally, invisible. No lights.
No roads. No nothin'. It's pitch black. And given the irregularity of the
horizon due to mountains and hills, it's almost impossible to tell if you're
level by looking outside and trying to judge the horizon by the stars.

While it may be technically VMC, and "legal" VFR, it's not safe.
Filing IFR and "going on the gauges" is the right thing to do in that case.

-- Dane

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:52:09 +0000 (UTC), (Dane
Spearing) wrote:

Filing IFR and "going on the gauges" is the right thing to do in that case.

I agree with "going on the gauges", but why do you need to file IFR?


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

On 9/15/05 8:56 PM, in article ,
"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:52:09 +0000 (UTC), (Dane
Spearing) wrote:

Filing IFR and "going on the gauges" is the right thing to do in that case.

I agree with "going on the gauges", but why do you need to file IFR?


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

I would say that you don't need to, but if you're on the gauges, your
outside scan is minimal and it just might be prudent to have a second set of
eyeballs looking out for you with radar. FF is good too, but they may not be
able to handle you as VFR traffic.
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