More evidence of weak security at GA airports

Skylune wrote:

Oh. That makes sense. Like the electified gate to keep moose off the
runway at an AK airport.

Maybe opening up the areas surrounding the airport to hunting could help
here? The surrounding residents would benefit in several ways. First,
the rifle blasts would blend in with the whine of the engines/props, thus
reducing any noise complaints. Second, the presence of armed citizens
roaming around the periphery of the airport would discourage would-be
terrorists, thereby lessening the airport's security funding needs. Of
course NOTAMs would need to be issued by airports proposing peripheral
hunting, and the hunters would need to be instructed to voluntarily aim
low, in the event of poor aim.

Look at the ****ty place you live in. You already know that the general
population is not armed where you live. Around here you have to assume
everybody is armed. They might be, they might not be. Crime is not a
problem

In article 1W6af.2587$Ar5.235@trndny01,
George Patterson wrote:

Skylune wrote:

Then why do airports even need fences?

To keep livestock and wildlife off the runway.

To keep the likes of "Skyloon" and "jgrove" out. :)

how many times have you been on the airport and saw someone working on an
airplane.
1) you don't know who owns the airplane (it landed from out of town)
2) you don't know the mechanic (the out of town owner shipped him in)

and you don't approach the individual to ask what is going on
for all most people knew, the owner had decided to scrap the Seneca and was
selling it for parts

BT

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
From AV Web:
"Seneca Stripped While Parked

By Russ Niles
Newswriter, Editor

A Cedar Falls, Iowa, man who local media reports say is an officer of his
local EAA chapter has been charged with systematically stripping parts
from
a disabled Piper Seneca to be used in his own homebuilt project. John M.
Norcero was arrested last Tuesday and charged with first-degree theft. The
Seneca, owned by Jerry Dwyer, of Clear Lake, has been sitting at the
Waterloo Airport since it landed there after an engine failure about five
years ago. Dwyer told the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier he noticed an
engine and prop missing in August of 2004. Now, both engines, the landing
gear, instrument panel, autopilot and seats are gone. "It's just sitting
there on the ground ... flat on its belly," Dwyer said. Dwyer, who owns an
aircraft sales company, said he left the plane in Waterloo because he was
having a hard time finding a replacement engine. Even with the blown
engine, he estimated the plane to be worth $100,000 and he figures it will
cost at least $50,000 to reinstall the missing parts and fix damage caused
during their removal. "[The thief] chopped a hole in the side of the damn
thing to get the autopilot out," he said. Norcero was booked at the local
jail and then set free on a pre-trial release a few hours later."

At least they caught the thief/pilot. How can this type of stuff keep
happening? The lack of security at most GA airports is really apalling.
Its pilots like the above mentioned clown, the morons who ignore noise
abatement, who (attempt) to take off from freeways after running the tanks
down to fumes, etc. that are gonna ruin it.

It really is amazing. Mostly all of the bad press GA gets is SELF
INFLICTED by the few cowboys who refuse to abide by any rules of law or
common courtesy.

If you're so smart, how would you have prevented this crime?

Skylune would simply close the airports and crush all the planes.

"cjcampbell" wrote in message
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If you're so smart, how would you have prevented this crime?

by "Steve Foley" Nov 1, 2005 at 01:15 PM


Skylune would simply close the airports and crush all the planes.

"cjcampbell" wrote in message
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If you're so smart, how would you have prevented this crime?


For starters, I would hire baton-wielding security guards from the local
mall to check IDs and beat the hell out of trespassers or thieves. Such a
guard could have asked the pilot/thief for a registration to prove
ownership of the plane he was tearing down (or proof that he was
performing authorized repairs).

(I would of course demand that the FAA fund these security agents from
general taxpayer funds because of the vital economic benefits of GA to the
entire nation.)

Then, I would empower the security guards to take all reasonable measures
to enforce noise abatement procedures, in close contact with tower
personnel of course, so that only pilots that have unmistakenly been
identified as violators would be beaten.

Since most everyone obeys the rules, I would expect very few beatings to
occur.

Skylune wrote:
by "Steve Foley" Nov 1, 2005 at 01:15 PM


Skylune would simply close the airports and crush all the planes.

"cjcampbell" wrote in message
oups.com...
If you're so smart, how would you have prevented this crime?


For starters, I would hire baton-wielding security guards from the local
mall to check IDs and beat the hell out of trespassers or thieves. Such a
guard could have asked the pilot/thief for a registration to prove
ownership of the plane he was tearing down (or proof that he was
performing authorized repairs).

Since most airplanes are owned by corporations then the guard is going
to have some difficulty with that.

"Hey! Who are you?"

"John Smith"

"Let's see the registration of that plane. Says it is owned by Sky
Loons." (Beats John Smith, the CEO and sole owner of Sky Loons, Inc.,
half to death.)

Smith sues the security guard, the airport, the FAA, and everybody else
he can think of. The guard goes to prison for assault with a deadly
weapon. Alternatively, Smith shoots the guard and is found to have
acted in self defense.


(I would of course demand that the FAA fund these security agents from
general taxpayer funds because of the vital economic benefits of GA to the
entire nation.)

Then, I would empower the security guards to take all reasonable measures
to enforce noise abatement procedures, in close contact with tower
personnel of course, so that only pilots that have unmistakenly been
identified as violators would be beaten.

If there is a tower. You going to have the guard carry a decibel meter?
Laser rangefinder? (Guard is arrested as terrorist for shining laser on
airplane.) "Unmistakenly," eh? So you are going to institute cruel and
unusual punishment, completely unconstitutional, and you are going to
have one guy, a mall guard, be cop, judge, jury and executioner, with
no due process or appeal.

Since when does noise abatement improve airport security?

Sky Loon, sounds like you would be much happier in some totalitarian
state rather than in the United States of America. In the USA, people
have rights. They are presumed innocent until proven guilty. They
cannot be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process.
They may not be beaten or tortured in any way. People are allowed to
travel freely despite the fact that some others might be annoyed by it.
People who buy homes next to airports are presumed to be smart enough
to know that airports are noisy. Freeways are even noisier. Are you
next going to buy a home next to the freeway, impose noise restrictions
on it, and beat all the truck drivers with batons?

Now then, let us see if you can come up with something to improve
security that would actually work without locking everybody up in
detention centers.

by "cjcampbell" Nov 2, 2005 at 10:49 PM


Skylune wrote:
by "Steve Foley" Nov 1, 2005 at 01:15 PM


Skylune would simply close the airports and crush all the planes.

"cjcampbell" wrote in message
oups.com...
If you're so smart, how would you have prevented this crime?


For starters, I would hire baton-wielding security guards from the
local
mall to check IDs and beat the hell out of trespassers or thieves. Such
a
guard could have asked the pilot/thief for a registration to prove
ownership of the plane he was tearing down (or proof that he was
performing authorized repairs).

Since most airplanes are owned by corporations then the guard is going
to have some difficulty with that.

"Hey! Who are you?"

"John Smith"

"Let's see the registration of that plane. Says it is owned by Sky
Loons." (Beats John Smith, the CEO and sole owner of Sky Loons, Inc.,
half to death.)

Smith sues the security guard, the airport, the FAA, and everybody else
he can think of. The guard goes to prison for assault with a deadly
weapon. Alternatively, Smith shoots the guard and is found to have
acted in self defense.


(I would of course demand that the FAA fund these security agents from
general taxpayer funds because of the vital economic benefits of GA to
the
entire nation.)

Then, I would empower the security guards to take all reasonable
measures
to enforce noise abatement procedures, in close contact with tower
personnel of course, so that only pilots that have unmistakenly been
identified as violators would be beaten.

If there is a tower. You going to have the guard carry a decibel meter?
Laser rangefinder? (Guard is arrested as terrorist for shining laser on
airplane.) "Unmistakenly," eh? So you are going to institute cruel and
unusual punishment, completely unconstitutional, and you are going to
have one guy, a mall guard, be cop, judge, jury and executioner, with
no due process or appeal.

Since when does noise abatement improve airport security?

Sky Loon, sounds like you would be much happier in some totalitarian
state rather than in the United States of America. In the USA, people
have rights. They are presumed innocent until proven guilty. They
cannot be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process.
They may not be beaten or tortured in any way. People are allowed to
travel freely despite the fact that some others might be annoyed by it.
People who buy homes next to airports are presumed to be smart enough
to know that airports are noisy. Freeways are even noisier. Are you
next going to buy a home next to the freeway, impose noise restrictions
on it, and beat all the truck drivers with batons?

Now then, let us see if you can come up with something to improve
security that would actually work without locking everybody up in
detention centers.



It was just a joke...

Howdy!

In article .com,
cjcampbell wrote:
If you're so smart, how would you have prevented this crime?

Based on your preposition, he couldn't have.

yours,
Michael

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