Let a friend fly the plane. Legal?

Safety pilot should log SIC, he is a required crewmember,
but is not sole manipulator or PIC.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"three-eight-hotel" wrote in
message
oups.com...
| You can only log PIC when another pilot [licensed or
not] is
| flying if you are a CFI
|
| What about a safety pilot?
|

Safety pilot should log SIC, he is a required crewmember,
but is not sole manipulator or PIC.

Safety pilot could be PIC if they so agree beforehand.

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In a previous article, "Jim Macklin" said:
You can only log PIC when another pilot [licensed or not] is
flying if you are a CFI. An ATP may log PIC when that

Do you log time when the autopilot is engaged?


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Jim Macklin wrote:
You can only log PIC when another pilot [licensed or not] is
flying if you are a CFI. An ATP may log PIC when that
authority was assigned by the dispatcher for a 135 or 121
flight. In a 121 long haul flight, the PIC can log that
time even while asleep in the bunk. Further, an ATP may
give and log instruction in 121 and 135 operations that
require an ATP for the pilot.

Given the situation:
IFR student under the hood on a VFR day,
any other rated pilot as safety pilot,
I thought the safety pilot could log PIC...?

Another OWT?

Given the situation:
IFR student under the hood on a VFR day,
any other rated pilot as safety pilot,
I thought the safety pilot could log PIC...?

Another OWT?

Half so.

This situation is one in which two the safety pilot is a required
crewmember. If the safety pilot is =also= acting as pilot in command,
then he or she may log PIC time (during the VFR conditions while the PF
is under the hood) under 61.51(e)(1)(iii). If the safety pilot is not
acting as pilot in command, then he or she may log SIC time.

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I'd say he is SIC


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"Blanche" wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| You can only log PIC when another pilot [licensed or not]
is
| flying if you are a CFI. An ATP may log PIC when that
| authority was assigned by the dispatcher for a 135 or 121
| flight. In a 121 long haul flight, the PIC can log that
| time even while asleep in the bunk. Further, an ATP may
| give and log instruction in 121 and 135 operations that
| require an ATP for the pilot.
|
| Given the situation:
| IFR student under the hood on a VFR day,
| any other rated pilot as safety pilot,
| I thought the safety pilot could log PIC...?
|
| Another OWT?
|

The FAA has said the safety pilot can log PIC if he is also serving as
PIC, your opinion not withstanding.

-Robet

Why bring up the subject of logging PIC? The question was about acting
PIC. They are two separate topics.


Jim Macklin wrote:
You can only log PIC when another pilot [licensed or not] is
flying if you are a CFI. An ATP may log PIC when that
authority was assigned by the dispatcher for a 135 or 121
flight. In a 121 long haul flight, the PIC can log that
time even while asleep in the bunk. Further, an ATP may
give and log instruction in 121 and 135 operations that
require an ATP for the pilot.


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ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
| In a previous article, "Doug"
said:
| One of my students asked me if it is legal to let a
friend fly his
| plane. Student is legal PIC, not an instructor and the
plane has dual
|
| When you're a legally certificated and medicalled pilot,
and you let your
| friends or family members take the controls, they are just
a meat-based
| autopilot. You're still PIC, and it's no different than
if you'd turned
| on George.
|
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| difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a
source of mind-
| boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect
t." - spaf (1992)

Because the non-CFI letting his buddy fly might log the time
and that error might come back and bite him.

Just trying to be thorough.



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James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
oups.com...
|
| Why bring up the subject of logging PIC? The question was
about acting
| PIC. They are two separate topics.
|
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| You can only log PIC when another pilot [licensed or
not] is
| flying if you are a CFI. An ATP may log PIC when that
| authority was assigned by the dispatcher for a 135 or
121
| flight. In a 121 long haul flight, the PIC can log that
| time even while asleep in the bunk. Further, an ATP may
| give and log instruction in 121 and 135 operations that
| require an ATP for the pilot.
|
|
| --
| James H. Macklin
| ATP,CFI,A&P
|
| --
| The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| some support
| http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
|
|
|
|
|
| "Paul Tomblin" wrote in
message
| ...
| | In a previous article, "Doug"
| said:
| | One of my students asked me if it is legal to let a
| friend fly his
| | plane. Student is legal PIC, not an instructor and
the
| plane has dual
| |
| | When you're a legally certificated and medicalled
pilot,
| and you let your
| | friends or family members take the controls, they are
just
| a meat-based
| | autopilot. You're still PIC, and it's no different
than
| if you'd turned
| | on George.
| |
| | --
| | Paul Tomblin
| http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
| | "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with
| diarrhea -- massive,
| | difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining,
and a
| source of mind-
| | boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect
| t." - spaf (1992)
|

"Jim Macklin" writes:
You can only log PIC when another pilot [licensed or not] is
flying if you are a CFI.
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

The relevent FARs do not make reference to "flying" nor
to "unlicensed" "pilots". They refer to people posessing
various certificates and to people who are manipulating
controls or not. They make no reference to passengers
who happen to be manipulating the controls.

His dog can legally "fly" the plane.