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Wallace Berry wrote:
Funny thing about checklists...you gotta use 'em. I'm very conscientious in my use of checklists. I use the ABCCCDWD (altimeter, belts, controls, cable, canopy, divebrakes, wind, Dead (as in "will kill you dead if you do something stupid"). I use USTALL in the landing pattern. Undercarriage, spoilers (yeah, I know its not consistent with D for divebrakes), trim, airspeed, lookout, land. Works for me...usually. I was taught USTALL also, but after landing with water ballast a couple of times have modified it to BUSTALL, which is not only more useful but also prophetic if you don't use it! Mike |
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Mark Dickson wrote:
There are 8 items in your list, as many as CBSIFTCB, but no structure or mnemonic. Easy to forget something. There's a lot of structure in it: - glider preparation - instrument panel - mechanics - concentration Each of these points is easy enough to accomplish without forgetting a thing, and as an additional bonus, the method works for all gliders. But I agreee that up to a certain point, it's a question of personal taste. BTW, I'm missing the pre flight concentration phase in all other proposed checklists, which is an absolutely essential point for me. Stefan |
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At 18:06 25 January 2006, Robin Birch wrote:
In message , Bruce C - Controls B - Ballast (includes tail dolly) S - Straps I - Instruments F - Flaps T - Trim C - Canopy B - Brakes E - Eventualities Personally, I find the final E to be in the right place, especially for winch launch. It means the last thing I push onto my brain stack is the direction to turn after a high winch launch failure. This means that if I have a launch failure its 'nose down -- got approach speed -- look ahead -- (too high for land ahead)-TURN' and, because the turn direction was the last thing into my memory, its the first thing that pops out again and turning the correct way is a no-brainer. We also teach the 'E' with the accent on the pilot having done the self briefing, and/or had one from an instructor. The eventualities item is just a reminder that life is what happens while we are planning other things. On a winch launch it pays , as Martin points out to know what your plan is. It appears that the mind works this way. Referring to the eventualities plan as the last thing before initiating the launch, means it is top of mind when/if something goes wrong. So - the eventualities item is not a substitute for thought, but it does help to trigger the correct information from current short term memory in the event of things falling apart. I personally have to have a couple of very different 'Eventualities' plans in my head. Consider the differences. We have a field with a short section of reasonable grass, cut short and level at each end. In the middle is over 1000m of much longer grass that the wildlife continuously works on returning to it's natural lumpy state. To the west there is a near parallel 1470m long tar runway varying from 150m to 300m, closer on the downhill side than on the uphill side. Oh, I almost forgot, the 60' tree between the runways at the uphill end. Depending on whether I am flying a 27:1 high wing, skid equipped two seater built like a brick outhouse, or my Std Cirrus with its low wings and 36:1 performance, a cable break at say 200 feet will have very different actions. Which will also vary depending on which direction the wind is from, etc. You don't want to be mentally flipping through permutations when the cable breaks at an awkward height. I use the 'E' to remind me, of the decisions I have made about launching this specific airplane, on this runway with the current weather. Going through E on a deliberate site, conditions and aircraft basis is vital every time. For instance, I fly from a nice large site with flat land all around (mostly). If I get a winch failure and I am in a position where I have to turn then down wind is usually the best option (gives space and time as you turn back into wind to get into the site). 5 miles away is a ridge site which many of us fly from occasionally. Here turning down wind would be very dodgy as you would go straight into the curl over at a low height - guaranteed to be experience enhancing. So do it last and work through everything that is different since the last time you did this - wind (strength direction), type of launch (winch aero), aircraft (ballast, has it got flaps, max launch speed all that stuff) and so on and ask yourself 'so what' at each stage. That builds your get out of jail plan and as has been pointed out, the last thing in the brain usually turns up as the first thing out. You will get no argument from me that all the items mentioned in the eventualities are absolutely essential but my argument is that they should have all been considered long before the bum was put on the seat. Going through a long list of things with the canopy shut in the winter means you mist up and in the summer you cook. If these items are hurried because of either of these two factors they are of less benefit . Are glider pilots really that stupid that they cannot grasp the necessities of good airmanship and hold them in their brains long enough to take the correct action. I have always done an eventualities check but as part of my pre flight brief/self brief. Remember that in the UK the pilot does not order the launch to commence, someone does that for him and yes I have seen an instructor and a student launch with the student still doing his eventualities. At a busy launch point closing the canopy is often the signal for attaching the cable and from then on the launch sequence progresses outwith the pilots control, the only thing the pilot can do is stop it. |
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" Remember that in the UK the pilot does not order the
launch to commence, someone does that for him" Wow! that changed since I was there. What happened to one finger for take up slack and 2 fingers for "all out". How is it done now? Andy |
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Once the cable is attached the launch marshall gives
the 'take up slack' and 'all out' orders. The pilot is assumed to be ready if he has the cable attached. The pilot can of course abort the launch by operating the release at any time, provided he is not incapacitated that is. At 13:12 26 January 2006, Andy wrote: ' Remember that in the UK the pilot does not order the launch to commence, someone does that for him' Wow! that changed since I was there. What happened to one finger for take up slack and 2 fingers for 'all out'. How is it done now? Andy |
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The way it is usually done now in the UK is that you do not accept the
launch rope or wire until you are ready to launch. Once you have accepted it you can expect the launch to start without further communication with the pilot. So do not connect the cable until you are ready to launch; if you change your mind, release. The reason for this is so that the pilot can concentrate on the launch without worrying about signalling to the ground crew, and can have both hands where required for launching. It has been this way for competition launches in the UK for many years, it is now universal for club launches. Some clubs use a further convention as well. When the ground crew level the wings the glider is attached and ready to launch. So do not level the wings until ready to go. Ground crews have to accept that the pilot will not allow the cable to be attached until in all respects ready to start the launch. W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). Remove "ic" to reply. "Andy" wrote in message oups.com... " Remember that in the UK the pilot does not order the launch to commence, someone does that for him" Wow! that changed since I was there. What happened to one finger for take up slack and 2 fingers for "all out". How is it done now? Andy |
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Thanks Bill and Don for the update. Many US contests use the same
launch sequence. The main reason being that it gets the fleet in the air faster. I have not seen it used in US except at contests. Andy |
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Don Johnstone wrote:
At 18:06 25 January 2006, Robin Birch wrote: In message , Bruce C - Controls B - Ballast (includes tail dolly) S - Straps I - Instruments F - Flaps T - Trim C - Canopy B - Brakes E - Eventualities Personally, I find the final E to be in the right place, especially for winch launch. It means the last thing I push onto my brain stack is the direction to turn after a high winch launch failure. This means that if I have a launch failure its 'nose down -- got approach speed -- look ahead -- (too high for land ahead)-TURN' and, because the turn direction was the last thing into my memory, its the first thing that pops out again and turning the correct way is a no-brainer. We also teach the 'E' with the accent on the pilot having done the self briefing, and/or had one from an instructor. The eventualities item is just a reminder that life is what happens while we are planning other things. On a winch launch it pays , as Martin points out to know what your plan is. It appears that the mind works this way. Referring to the eventualities plan as the last thing before initiating the launch, means it is top of mind when/if something goes wrong. So - the eventualities item is not a substitute for thought, but it does help to trigger the correct information from current short term memory in the event of things falling apart. I personally have to have a couple of very different 'Eventualities' plans in my head. Consider the differences. We have a field with a short section of reasonable grass, cut short and level at each end. In the middle is over 1000m of much longer grass that the wildlife continuously works on returning to it's natural lumpy state. To the west there is a near parallel 1470m long tar runway varying from 150m to 300m, closer on the downhill side than on the uphill side. Oh, I almost forgot, the 60' tree between the runways at the uphill end. Depending on whether I am flying a 27:1 high wing, skid equipped two seater built like a brick outhouse, or my Std Cirrus with its low wings and 36:1 performance, a cable break at say 200 feet will have very different actions. Which will also vary depending on which direction the wind is from, etc. You don't want to be mentally flipping through permutations when the cable breaks at an awkward height. I use the 'E' to remind me, of the decisions I have made about launching this specific airplane, on this runway with the current weather. Going through E on a deliberate site, conditions and aircraft basis is vital every time. For instance, I fly from a nice large site with flat land all around (mostly). If I get a winch failure and I am in a position where I have to turn then down wind is usually the best option (gives space and time as you turn back into wind to get into the site). 5 miles away is a ridge site which many of us fly from occasionally. Here turning down wind would be very dodgy as you would go straight into the curl over at a low height - guaranteed to be experience enhancing. So do it last and work through everything that is different since the last time you did this - wind (strength direction), type of launch (winch aero), aircraft (ballast, has it got flaps, max launch speed all that stuff) and so on and ask yourself 'so what' at each stage. That builds your get out of jail plan and as has been pointed out, the last thing in the brain usually turns up as the first thing out. You will get no argument from me that all the items mentioned in the eventualities are absolutely essential but my argument is that they should have all been considered long before the bum was put on the seat. Going through a long list of things with the canopy shut in the winter means you mist up and in the summer you cook. If these items are hurried because of either of these two factors they are of less benefit . Are glider pilots really that stupid that they cannot grasp the necessities of good airmanship and hold them in their brains long enough to take the correct action. I have always done an eventualities check but as part of my pre flight brief/self brief. As I commented - going over and evaluating the possible eventualities and appropriate actions should be part of the self brief, but I still find it helps to remind myself of what I have decided as I close the canopy. I don't think a pilot should sit sweltering under a closed cockpit going over all the permutations, that's what you want to avoid. My "E" check generally amounts to a quick go over the critical numbers. Remember that in the UK the pilot does not order the launch to commence, someone does that for him and yes I have seen an instructor and a student launch with the student still doing his eventualities. At a busy launch point closing the canopy is often the signal for attaching the cable and from then on the launch sequence progresses outwith the pilots control, the only thing the pilot can do is stop it. -- Bruce Greeff Std Cirrus #57 I'm no-T at the address above. |
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Don
A check list is there to confirm that certain actions have been completed, and pick up those that have not. Having the item 'E-eventualities' at the end of the checklist need not be a prompt for a lecture. The response to 'E' could simply be 'as briefed'. Can't see any logical argument for removing it. Keith Going through a long list of things with the canopy shut in the winter means you mist up and in the summer you cook. If these items are hurried because of either of these two factors they are of less benefit . Are glider pilots really that stupid that they cannot grasp the necessities of good airmanship and hold them in their brains long enough to take the correct action. I have always done an eventualities check but as part of my pre flight brief/self brief. |
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