1 Fatal ...r.a.h or r.a.p?

In article .com,
"Peter Freeman" wrote:

Just yesterday a guy I know crashed his plane and died. I didn't know
him REAL well but it was either him, or his twin brother who did a
lesson with me a few months ago. That makes 3 people I've known in the
aviation world who have died in some aviation accident. It really
drives the point hom that what we do is extremely dangerous. The risk
is nothing to take lightly.

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i just got the bad news phone call tonight. great guy (and so is his
brother). that makes three for me too, and it's very possible that it's
the same three that you knew (all three in the past nine months, and
i've only been flying for less than two years).

I must be kinda stand-offish. 38 years now since I got my llicense. .
.. and:

1. Before I started flying, the FBO's partner and his family were
killed. Rough engine at night, passed up numerous airports, totally
lost power on long final to home airport. Set her down in a "black
area," which was a cut for power pylons. Hung upside down from a power
line until everybody burned to death.

2. 30+ years ago: Didn't now him. Friend of another pilot who flew
out of the same FBO, stalled/spun a Luscombe 8A on take-off. The 8A's
the one where you can't pitch the nose too high on takeoff or you'll
uncover the fuel intake in the tank, which is behind the pilot's head.

Those are the only fatals, and I didn't directly know the people.
Recently, I heard of three gear-ups by the same guy -- one on the
first flght after the rebuilt after anothe gear-up. I also heard of a
guy at our airport rolling up a shiny restored Waco UPF 7 in a botched
X-wind landing. None of those incidents involved more than
superficial injuries.

I don't personally know any dead former motorcyclists, either. I
know, second-hand, some dead blue-water sailors, though.

I may be the opposite of Gig-whatzis, the guy you don't want to have
been in the same graduating class with.

Don

I'm honestly not trying to make light of the fact that the guy
died...BUT....out of a field, after running out of gas...hit a pole....

a SAFE aviator would not have had the fuel issue to begin with, and if
a SAFE aviator had a fuel issue and landed in the field, he damn sure
would have cleared the take off path well before taking off. I feel
sorry for the guy and all, but wow, seems all together too
preventable...

In a previous article, "Montblack" said:
I sometimes cut-n-paste crash victim's names into Google.groups.rec.aviation
to see if that person has ever posted here. Too ghoulish?

One person's name, about 6 years ago, came up. IIRC, his family was in the
plane.

A few years back a guy who was on the same Piper Chat mailing list as me
died in his Cherokee 6, taking most of his family with him. That sucked.
Around about the same time, another member of the list had his plane
partner crash and die in his shared plane.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not
certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
-- Albert Einstein

Paul Tomblin wrote:


A few years back a guy who was on the same Piper Chat mailing list as me
died in his Cherokee 6, taking most of his family with him. That sucked.

If that was a Connecticut pilot, and the crash was in Pullayup, WA, I
worked with him.

It certainly does suck...

In a previous article, said:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
A few years back a guy who was on the same Piper Chat mailing list as me
died in his Cherokee 6, taking most of his family with him. That sucked.

If that was a Connecticut pilot, and the crash was in Pullayup, WA, I
worked with him.

No, this was in the North East.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
If men are from Mars and women are from Venus, there's going to be one
big-ass fight over where to set the thermostat.
-- Jim Rosenberg

Montblack,

One name that comes to mind, never left really, is Gil Armbruster, Dec
1, 1998 ~ mini500.

The Monk

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
I sometimes cut-n-paste crash victim's names into
Google.groups.rec.aviation to see if that person has ever posted here. Too
ghoulish?

One person's name, about 6 years ago, came up. IIRC, his family was in the
plane.

With the spate of recent crashes it got me wondering, again: People here
at rec.aviation know some of these victims - but have WE lost any of our
(r.a.h & r.a.p) posters in crashes, in the last 8-10 years?


Montblack
I've been around since 1998 - starting in r.a.s.

Well considering that probably half or more use "handles" and not their real
name it would be hard to know. I've been flying for around 4 years and I
don't know of anyone that has been in a crash fatal or otherwise and I hope
it always stays that way.

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DW

Darkwing heducksmailTyahoo.com wrote:

I've been flying for around 4 years and I
don't know of anyone that has been in a crash fatal or otherwise and I hope
it always stays that way.

Me also. I have had my certificate for four years as well but have yet to
experience an acquaintance getting killed in an aviation accident. There
was a fatal Cirrus spin accident in the practice area north of our class C
airport while I was training and both pilots were based at my FBO, but I
didn't know them.

--
Peter

I spoke with an FAA investigator regarding a potential incident a few years
ago. He told me he'd lost his enthusiasm for general aviation after
investigating too many fatal incidents. I can understand his sentiment.

On the other hand, I don't fear death. Death will come to us all. The only
thing I fear is doing something stupid that deprives my children of my
income potential. Kevin Dunlevy


"Montblack" wrote in message
...
I sometimes cut-n-paste crash victim's names into
Google.groups.rec.aviation
to see if that person has ever posted here. Too ghoulish?

One person's name, about 6 years ago, came up. IIRC, his family was in the
plane.

With the spate of recent crashes it got me wondering, again: People here
at
rec.aviation know some of these victims - but have WE lost any of our
(r.a.h
& r.a.p) posters in crashes, in the last 8-10 years?


Montblack
I've been around since 1998 - starting in r.a.s.