9/11 Standard Operating Procedures

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How did the Cherokee fall asleep?

Easy, big meal, wine, soft music and a good fire in the fire place.

With an Apache squaw?


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| How did the Cherokee fall asleep?
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Dave Stadt wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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Doug wrote:

Well...... there was a guy handproping his Aeronca. It started and got
away from him with a full throttle. Plane took off, flew around till it
ran out of gas. They found it undamaged and upright on some farmers
field.

Never happened.


But it did happen to the guy in a Cherokee that fell asleep.


It was a Commanche and it was totalled after it crash landed. No
airplane has ever taken off and flown for more than a few seconds
without the ending being a hell of a wreck.

Newps wrote:

It was a Commanche and it was totalled after it crash landed. No
airplane has ever taken off and flown for more than a few seconds
without the ending being a hell of a wreck.

I distinctly remember a case of a tail dragger here in central NY back in
the early to mid 1980s where the pilot hopped out after landing to do
something quick and the aircraft, left at a high idle, did take off on its
own, due to the trim being set nose up.

The news account of this incident described the aircraft climbing a bit,
then stalling and regaining lift then climbing some more. This went on for
roughly 45 minutes until the aircraft ran out of fuel and settled in some
trees somewhere in the south of the Adirondack State park.

Knowing you will scream "bull****" to this as well, I am trying to find a
source other than my memory of the news account to prove this and am in the
process of searching.


--
Peter

On 2006-02-22, Newps wrote:
It was a Commanche and it was totalled after it crash landed. No
airplane has ever taken off and flown for more than a few seconds
without the ending being a hell of a wreck.

There was a pilotless small tailwheel aircraft in Illinois that got away
from the person hand-propping it, then went on to fly a couple of hours
(pilotless) before landing in a field in what looked like a passable
forced landing (the aircraft was damaged, but not a 'hell of a wreck').

Unfortunately I can't find the magic incantations to bring up the NTSB
report - the details I remember is that the plane climbed to over 12000
feet and a police aircraft followed it for a while.

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In article .com,
says...


The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training

is the same as flying any aircraft without training.
That's why we do hours in training aircraft, get PPLs and build hours
until we can do CPLs and instrument ratings and so on...
I'm crossposting this to an aviation group so you and your silly
claims can get laughed at over there



Hell, these clowns don't seem to understand just about anyone, and I
mean anyone can fly a plane. It's the takeoffs, navigation, and
especially the landings that are the difficult parts.

Flying and turning a plane, regardless of it's size isn't hard. And yes,
I did some slight maneuvers on a friend's father's plane when I was
about 19.

Now a helicopter, that's hard.

BDK

On 02/22/2006 02:25 AM, BDK wrote:
In article .com,
says...

The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training
is the same as flying any aircraft without training.
That's why we do hours in training aircraft, get PPLs and build hours
until we can do CPLs and instrument ratings and so on...
I'm crossposting this to an aviation group so you and your silly
claims can get laughed at over there


Hell, these clowns don't seem to understand just about anyone, and I
mean anyone can fly a plane. It's the takeoffs, navigation, and
especially the landings that are the difficult parts.


Who was flying the planes?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm


--
Closely Monitored,

Immanuel Goldstein

Videos of Building 7 Demolition
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html#building7

"It's just a god-damned piece of paper!"
- Bush on the U.S. Constitution, http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp12142005.html

"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act."
- Orwell

"The history of the present [Junta] is a history of repeated injuries and
usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute
Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world."
- Declaration of Independence

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their
right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards
for their future security."
- Declaration of Independence

In article ,
says...
On 02/22/2006 02:25 AM, BDK wrote:
In article .com,
says...

The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training
is the same as flying any aircraft without training.
That's why we do hours in training aircraft, get PPLs and build hours
until we can do CPLs and instrument ratings and so on...
I'm crossposting this to an aviation group so you and your silly
claims can get laughed at over there


Hell, these clowns don't seem to understand just about anyone, and I
mean anyone can fly a plane. It's the takeoffs, navigation, and
especially the landings that are the difficult parts.


Who was flying the planes?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm




Desperate aren't you? That nonsense about the hijackers being alive was
admitted to be false by the BBC a long time ago. Sometimes people have
the same names, big deal. It's not true.


I know 3 people named Jim Smith. At one time, I knew 2 Gene
Walters.....A father and daughter!


BDK

On 22/02/2006 04:33, BDK enscribed:

Hell, these clowns don't seem to understand just about anyone, and I
mean anyone can fly a plane. It's the takeoffs, navigation, and
especially the landings that are the difficult parts.

Who was flying the planes?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm




Desperate aren't you? That nonsense about the hijackers being alive was
admitted to be false by the BBC a long time ago. Sometimes people have
the same names, big deal. It's not true.


Cite?


--
Closely Monitored,

Immanuel Goldstein

"The history of the present [US Government] is a history of repeated injuries
and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute
Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world."
- Declaration of Independence

The Pentagon Strike
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

The Demolition of WTC Building 7
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html#building7

"It's just a god-damned piece of paper!"
- Bush on the U.S. Constitution, http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp12142005.html

"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act."
- Orwell

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their
right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards
for their future security."
- Declaration of Independence

Real airplanes are very easy to fly, they have been designed
to be stable. Your position is utter BS.



"Immanuel Goldstein" wrote in
message ...
| On 22/02/2006 04:33, BDK enscribed:
|
| Hell, these clowns don't seem to understand just about
anyone, and I
| mean anyone can fly a plane. It's the takeoffs,
navigation, and
| especially the landings that are the difficult parts.
|
| Who was flying the planes?
|
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
|
|
|
|
| Desperate aren't you? That nonsense about the hijackers
being alive was
| admitted to be false by the BBC a long time ago.
Sometimes people have
| the same names, big deal. It's not true.
|
|
| Cite?
|
|
| --
| Closely Monitored,
|
| Immanuel Goldstein
|
| "The history of the present [US Government] is a history
of repeated injuries
| and usurpations, all having in direct object the
establishment of an absolute
| Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be
submitted to a candid world."
| - Declaration of Independence
|
| The Pentagon Strike
| http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm
|
| The Demolition of WTC Building 7
|
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html#building7
|
| "It's just a god-damned piece of paper!"
| - Bush on the U.S. Constitution,
http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp12142005.html
|
| "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a
revolutionary act."
| - Orwell
|
| "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing
invariably the same
| Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute
Despotism, it is their
| right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and
to provide new Guards
| for their future security."
| - Declaration of Independence