finding mountain passes for flight planning?

"GeorgeC" wrote in message
...
To rephrase my question. I was look at the Colorado Pilots Association's
web
site and they have a listing of Colorado passes
http://www.coloradopilots.org/conten...p?menuID=16~16 and
they
have a listing of Colorado gaps
http://www.coloradopilots.org/conten...p?menuID=16~16 . It
made me
wonder what's the difference between a gap and a pass.

E. Explanation of different lists:
a.. The list of gaps came from source 1 which combined passes and non-pass
gaps, listing all as gaps. Those appearing in the List of Gaps are not
passes (saddles on a ridge), but are narrow passages, often of a stream or
road, and were determined by inspection of the 7.5 minute USGS map.

b.. The List of Passes in Colorado without Official names contains passes
I have discovered on maps or in person but could find no label, so have
chosen a name from a nearby topographic feature.

c.. The List of Passes in Colorado without complete information contains
passes which are named, but which I have not yet been able to locate
precisely
d..
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Thanks, I think I'm beginning to understand.


On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:11:34 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at
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"GeorgeC" wrote in message
.. .
To rephrase my question. I was look at the Colorado Pilots Association's
web
site and they have a listing of Colorado passes
http://www.coloradopilots.org/conten...p?menuID=16~16 and
they
have a listing of Colorado gaps
http://www.coloradopilots.org/conten...p?menuID=16~16 . It
made me
wonder what's the difference between a gap and a pass.

E. Explanation of different lists:
a.. The list of gaps came from source 1 which combined passes and non-pass
gaps, listing all as gaps. Those appearing in the List of Gaps are not
passes (saddles on a ridge), but are narrow passages, often of a stream or
road, and were determined by inspection of the 7.5 minute USGS map.

b.. The List of Passes in Colorado without Official names contains passes
I have discovered on maps or in person but could find no label, so have
chosen a name from a nearby topographic feature.

c.. The List of Passes in Colorado without complete information contains
passes which are named, but which I have not yet been able to locate
precisely
d..
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Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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GeorgeC

Out Here, a Pass has a road thru it. A Gap is usually hiking or
trail.

YMMV -- I can drive over Berthoud Pass (and ski, if there's
enough snow) but there's no way I can drive over Durant Gap.

And here's the "disclaimer" from the CPA website:
----------------
The list of gaps came from source 1 which combined passes and non-pass gaps,
listing all as gaps. Those appearing in the List of Gaps are not passes
(saddles on a ridge), but are narrow passages, often of a stream or road,
and were determined by inspection of the 7.5 minute USGS map.

The List of Passes in Colorado without Official names contains passes I have
discovered on maps or in person but could find no label, so have chosen
a name from a nearby topographic feature.
(NOTE: the "I" refers to the person who created the list of Passes & Gaps)

The List of Passes in Colorado without complete information contains passes
which are named, but which I have not yet been able to locate precisely.
-----------------

Hope this helps.

On 25 Mar 2006 17:33:51 -0800, "Andrew Sarangan"
wrote:

that doesn't mean they are all safe. For example, the infamous
Independence Pass is still shown on the Colorado sectional, but unless
you know exactly what you are doing, it is not a recommended route due
to the complex terrain around the pass.

Can a Sport Pilot fly over Independence Pass?

I drove over it in my VW Beetle a while ago. It was a hoot. For a
while there, I thought I was going to have to get out and push.



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Cub Driver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote:

Can a Sport Pilot fly over Independence Pass?

One web source places the altitude at 12095 feet. You tell me if your
aircraft and any possible sport pilot restrictions makes that
realistic.

Ron Lee

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:43:29 GMT, (Ron Lee)
wrote:

Can a Sport Pilot fly over Independence Pass?

One web source places the altitude at 12095 feet. You tell me if your
aircraft and any possible sport pilot restrictions makes that
realistic.

10,000 feet is Sport Pilot limit.

Funny to think that Independence "Pass" is actually higher than the
Sundeck on Aspen Mountain (Ajax to those who love it). No wonder my
poor Beetle was puffing.

As I recall, Loveland Pass (the old road from Denver to Glenwood
Springs, now bypassed or underpassed by the Eisenhower Tunnel) is
about 10,000 feet. I guess I'd have to fly West by way of Texas, huh?




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Cub Driver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in
:

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:43:29 GMT, (Ron Lee)
wrote:

Can a Sport Pilot fly over Independence Pass?

One web source places the altitude at 12095 feet. You tell me if your
aircraft and any possible sport pilot restrictions makes that
realistic.

10,000 feet is Sport Pilot limit.

Funny to think that Independence "Pass" is actually higher than the
Sundeck on Aspen Mountain (Ajax to those who love it). No wonder my
poor Beetle was puffing.

As I recall, Loveland Pass (the old road from Denver to Glenwood
Springs, now bypassed or underpassed by the Eisenhower Tunnel) is
about 10,000 feet. I guess I'd have to fly West by way of Texas, huh?




-- all the best, Dan Ford

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Yup, I "think" the only way around for a Sport Pilot is El Paso... If
there is another (better) one, I'd like to know about it.... I'm
attempting to plan a sport pilot CC from SNA to OSH....

--
-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

Cub Driver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote:

As I recall, Loveland Pass (the old road from Denver to Glenwood
Springs, now bypassed or underpassed by the Eisenhower Tunnel) is
about 10,000 feet. I guess I'd have to fly West by way of Texas, huh?

Dan, tell us where you are and where you are going and someone may be
able to offer a reasonable route.

Ron Lee

"Cub Driver" wrote

As I recall, Loveland Pass (the old road from Denver to Glenwood
Springs, now bypassed or underpassed by the Eisenhower Tunnel) is
about 10,000 feet. I guess I'd have to fly West by way of Texas, huh?

The road over Loveland Pass reaches 11990 feet, according to the sign at the
top.

Cub Driver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:43:29 GMT, (Ron Lee)
wrote:

Can a Sport Pilot fly over Independence Pass?

One web source places the altitude at 12095 feet. You tell me if your
aircraft and any possible sport pilot restrictions makes that
realistic.

10,000 feet is Sport Pilot limit.

Funny to think that Independence "Pass" is actually higher than the
Sundeck on Aspen Mountain (Ajax to those who love it). No wonder my
poor Beetle was puffing.

As I recall, Loveland Pass (the old road from Denver to Glenwood
Springs, now bypassed or underpassed by the Eisenhower Tunnel) is
about 10,000 feet. I guess I'd have to fly West by way of Texas, huh?

Eisenhower Tunnel is over 11K ft. The top of the mountain
(Loveland Ski Area) is over 12K, closer to 13K, IIRC. Just to the
southeast is Loveland Pass, which is 11,990 ft on the road, and
the hill goes up a bit more (you can hike the trail)...but
it's been a year since I drove by the altitude marker up there.