tailwheel endorsement

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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I do not think that is correct.. a "student" pilot does not need all the
funny endorsements while a student.. but once graduated.. he does..

The endorsement is required when acting as PIC. A student pilot flying solo
is acting as PIC. Ergo, the endorsement is required by a student pilot
flying solo.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Student pilots are exempt from the endorsement requirement since they
are "type rated" to that aircraft.

What FAR grants that exemption?

Jose wrote:
If a student pilot takes all his training in a tailwheel aircraft
(including solo), but takes his flight test in a nosedragger, does the
newly minted private pilot need a separate tailwheel endorsement?

Yes, he will still require a tailwheel endorsement somewhere in his
logbook as required by FARs. The CFI who gave his training would simply
make the endorsement.

You don't have to surrender your Student certificate since
it is also likely to be your medical.


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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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| my impression at the time was that without these
endorsements,
| regardless of my "tailwheel" training and complex/high
performance
| checkride, i couldn't act as PIC of either.
|
| That's true today too. Once you surrender your student
ticket for your
| private you must have the endorsements.
|
| -Robert
|

Still the student pilot must have a solo endorsement for
each make and model on the student pilot certificate and a
90 day solo endorsement in the logbook to be qualified to
take the practical test.


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James H. Macklin
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"Jose" wrote in message
. com...
| How would the student fly a nose dragger, that he had
never been signed off in? It is my understanding that a
student must be signed off in every different model of
plane.
|
| One scenario - the student is the daugher of a CFI who
owns a 152 and
| she has flown it right seat since she was twelve (with the
father in the
| plane of course!) None of this time was logged but the
student is
| competent. The daughter wants to learn to fly, but "not
from daddy" and
| falls in love with a blue cub on the field. The
instructor's cute too.
|
| She takes lessons, gets all the way to the checkout, and
the cub moves
| on. The cub owner is a friend of dad and knows how the
daughter flies
| the 152 (in fact, she has flown them both in a 172) quite
competently.
|
| So, the instructor signs her off for the test and the FAA
examiner takes
| her for the checkride, which she passes.
|
| Jose
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Correct, all endorsements are required as part of the
practical test requirements.

Make/model and 90 day. If the student has to fly to a
different airport for the test, a round-trip solo
endorsement is required [make it round trip so the examiner
doesn't have to sign them off for a return flight in case
the student fails the test].


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James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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wrote in message
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| Jose
| I think the examiner couldn't do it without the proper
endorsements on
| the license for the aricraft being used for the flight
check.
|

Jose wrote:
If a student pilot takes all his training in a tailwheel aircraft
(including solo), but takes his flight test in a nosedragger, does the
newly minted private pilot need a separate tailwheel endorsement?

Jose

He needs an endorsement before he can solo the tailwheel... he cannot be
PIC until he has the endorsement, and as sole occupant he IS the PIC.

Dave

What FAR grants that exemption?

61.31(k)(2)(ii)

Still the student pilot must have a solo endorsement for
each make and model on the student pilot certificate and a
90 day solo endorsement in the logbook to be qualified to
take the practical test.

Ok, would this suffice as a (permanent) tailwheel endorsement?

Jose
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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What FAR grants that exemption?

61.31(k)(2)(ii)

Thanks. I did see that (later). I also saw someone else state that the
tailwheel restriction isn't a rating limitation.

I personally don't see why it's not a rating limitation, but do you have an
official definition of "rating limitation" to use to properly understand
61.31(k)(2)(ii)?

Pete