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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:41:06 -0500, John T wrote:
Generally, if you take the photo from a public place, such as a public sidewalk, the subject has no say. The way it was worded that even if you took a picture of someone in their bedroom, while standing on a public sidewalk, you didn't need the subjects permission. Not very good advice unless your goal in life is to be a papparizo! You can get away with a lot if you can reasonably argue that you are a newman performing a public service, even if what you actually are is a sleazeball making money off the externalities (or even internalities) of the rich & famous. I don't see how this gent can make that argument, even if he were willing to try. So take that witha grain of salt. -- all the best, Dan Ford email: usenet AT danford DOT net Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com |
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If the airplane you wish to photgraph is is public space you can click
away, just as you can for cars, boats, people, etc. You can photo the pilot, the N-number whatever you want. You can't enter private property (e.g. walk up to the hangar, or trespass on the airport property -- not that there is anything typically preventing that) to photograph, though. If you intend to use the photos for commercial purposes, however, you should obtain the party's written permission. |
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![]() "Cub Driver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message ... Generally, if you take the photo from a public place, such as a public sidewalk, the subject has no say. The way it was worded that even if you took a picture of someone in their bedroom, while standing on a public sidewalk, you didn't need the subjects permission. Not very good advice unless your goal in life is to be a papparizo! It depends. The benchmark cases for these rules are complex and gruesome. But the long and short of it is, if you can see it from public property it's fair game, which has been deemed a generally good thing. The moral/ethical particulars of the situation fall upon the photographer to determine whether it's appropriate to take a photograph. The scumbag paparazzi have managed to exploit some hard ethical decisions, but that's not radically different than people who exploit freedom in any context for their own gain at the expense or embarrassment of others. (Just because you can sneak a camera onto a beach and take close-up photos of girls in bikinis doesn't make it right.) They get away with it, though, just like the hate groups that parade in public can. -c |
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![]() Montblack wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?B23F11FFC (Same link as below ...wait for it) http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200305%5 CCUL20030530e.html [From the link] (CNSNews.com) - Singer/actress Barbra Streisand has filed a $50 million lawsuit against amateur photographer Kenneth Adelman for posting a photograph of her Malibu, Calif., estate on his website. The site features 12,000 other photos of the California coastline as part of a project to document coastal erosion for scientific and other researchers. Streisand's lawsuit got nowhere. |
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![]() Todd wrote: Do I need permission from an aircraft owner to publish pictures of their airplane for profit? I want to take pictures of airplanes and publish them commercially, on the web and in print. As you have figured out by now, it depends on way to many variables -- who, what, where, when, etc. Newsworthy photographs may be published any time. The courts look very dimly upon any restriction of freedom of the press, to the point that "the press" may be just about anyone at any time. A newsletter with a ciculation of 10 gets the same protection as any of the giant metropolitan dailies. Use of an image for advertising is another matter. Models and owners of property that have value because of their unique image are protected. You cannot take a picture of Barbra Streisand and use it to sell coffee without her permission. You can take a picture of her estate from the air and sell it for scientific purposes, however. Similarly, you could sell pictures of the Red Baron team in a newspaper without their permission, but if you want to use the pictures to endorse Shakey's Pizza or even lipstick you are going to need their permission. I suspect that a calendar photo would also require a release. Some states offer special protection for photographing children, and almost all states recognize certain rights of privacy. Airliners.net and photo agencies generally do not ask photographers for model releases. Airliners.net does not pay for photos, anyway (at least, they never have paid me for one). Photo agencies usually assume that photographers can produce the required model releases for whatever use their pictures are put. Their contracts with the photographers specify that the photographer has obtained all necessary releases. If Global sells your photo and you don't have the necessary release and someone comes after Global for it, you can bet that Global is going to hold you in breach of contract, refuse to pay for your photo, remove your other photos, never buy photos from you again, and probably sue the pants off you. They will also pull your photo from the client who purchased it and refund his money. A good photo attorney can keep you out of hot water and also help you protect your very valuable property. This guy seems to work pretty hard at it: http://www.krages.com/ |
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"cjcampbell" wrote in
oups.com: Snipola Similarly, you could sell pictures of the Red Baron team in a newspaper without their permission, but if you want to use the pictures to endorse Shakey's Pizza snipola Errr...the Red Baron team endorsing Shakey's Pizza? Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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![]() Skywise wrote: "cjcampbell" wrote in oups.com: Snipola Similarly, you could sell pictures of the Red Baron team in a newspaper without their permission, but if you want to use the pictures to endorse Shakey's Pizza snipola Errr...the Red Baron team endorsing Shakey's Pizza? My point exactly. Anyone using the Red Baron team to advertise a product without the permission of Red Baron Pizza would likely hear from the latter's lawyers. Especially if you tried to give the impression that they were endorsing Shakey's. It was the worst case I could think of. |
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Worst case was a magazine ad for the Beech Aero Club, that
talked about the new Beech Skipper and had a nice picture of a Piper Tomahawk. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "cjcampbell" wrote in message oups.com... | | Skywise wrote: | "cjcampbell" wrote in | oups.com: | | Snipola | Similarly, you could sell pictures of the Red Baron team in a newspaper | without their permission, but if you want to use the pictures to | endorse Shakey's Pizza | snipola | | Errr...the Red Baron team endorsing Shakey's Pizza? | | | My point exactly. Anyone using the Red Baron team to advertise a | product without the permission of Red Baron Pizza would likely hear | from the latter's lawyers. Especially if you tried to give the | impression that they were endorsing Shakey's. It was the worst case I | could think of. | |
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Boy I remember covering this in business law. I don't recall the answer
but I remember that there were several factors involved one of which I believe was whether the owner had given up the privacy (just like celebs give up their right to privacy by entering the public eye). Airshow aircraft would clearly fall in that category. However, my concern would be with the TSA. Going around taking pictures, especially after the recent postings by some groups concerning blownig up GA aircraftm, would generate interest. -Robert |
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If the airplane you wish to photgraph is is public space you can click
away, just as you can for cars, boats, people, etc. I remember enough from law class to remember that is wrong with regard to commercial photography. You can photograph "generic people" (like a bunch of people walking down the street). However, you cannot feature any given person without getting a release from them. The same would apply to aircraft. However, certain people (and I assume aircraft) give up their right to this privacy by doing things like running for public office or appearing in movies or TV. -Robert |
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