Anyone seen "Flight 93" yet?

gatt wrote:

I'm curious as to weather east coasters feel this way more than those of us
on the west coast who, while just as riveted to what was going on, were
still thousands of miles away.

Here's one data point: It seems that everyone I knew in upstate NY,
including myself, at the time was a mere one degree away (a friend of a
friend, that is) of knowing someone killed in the NYC portion of the
attacks.

Additionally, I still have relatives who reside in Manhattan, I have
visited NYC many times, have many friends from NYC, and have worked and
lived in Manhattan for several months at a time (business weekdays, that
is) over my tenure as a software consultant.

The connection was there and the anger and sadness is still too close to
the surface, despite the five years it has been, for me to be able to sit
through the movie. The relatives of those killed on that flight are
incredibly strong to be able to do so.


--
Peter

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What'd you think of it? Should I go see it?


Are you referring to the film "United 93", which premiered yesterday?

No, dumbass, this is the other movie about flight 93 that comes out Friday.

Geez.

I will see it. I know it will be emotionally-charged with anger being the
dominant emotion but I think it helps frame current events.

I certainly won't watch it to make sure I remember--I unfortunately don't
need to. I saw the Twin Towers fall with my own eyes. I smelled the dust
while it blew over the Manhattan Bridge as I walked from midtown to Brooklyn
to a friend's house. I watched the F-15s from Otis AFB scream overhead as I
told my direct reports that the bridges were most probably safe to cross so
they should go home if they wanted to.

I know only one person that died and a few good friends that were minutes
away from dying. One childhood family friend was *seconds* away. He was a
cop directing people out the door in the lobby of the North tower and only
survived because he helped a fireman that had fallen to the ground as
everyone was running away.

As long as the movie was done for the right reasons (which from everything
I'm reading is the case) then I think people should see it. Everyone that
died that day represented everything that America is--including the courage.
There is far too much media attention devoted to the mistakes and the
vulnerability around that day. Anything putting the focus on the bravery
deserves the support of all American along with as much exposure as it can
get despite the pain.

As I walked through Manhattan that day, I saw stores handing out free
bottled water, people with working cell phones pass it around to strangers
so they can call loved ones, and absolutely no hint of looting or anyone
taking advantage of the chaos. What I saw that day was unforgettable not
only for the horror but for the glimpse it allowed me into the kindness and
compassion in New Yorkers and Americans in general during what will probably
be the darkest day in this nation's history.

No, we should never forget. We should never forget the terror but we should
also never forget the bravery that day as well.

These are my personal views/reasons and I don't mean to pass judgement on
anyone that won't see it. It's a personal matter and there are good reasons
not to see it and everyone should respect them.

Marco


"Peter R." wrote in message
...
gatt wrote:

I'm curious as to weather east coasters feel this way more than those of
us
on the west coast who, while just as riveted to what was going on, were
still thousands of miles away.

Here's one data point: It seems that everyone I knew in upstate NY,
including myself, at the time was a mere one degree away (a friend of a
friend, that is) of knowing someone killed in the NYC portion of the
attacks.

Additionally, I still have relatives who reside in Manhattan, I have
visited NYC many times, have many friends from NYC, and have worked and
lived in Manhattan for several months at a time (business weekdays, that
is) over my tenure as a software consultant.

The connection was there and the anger and sadness is still too close to
the surface, despite the five years it has been, for me to be able to sit
through the movie. The relatives of those killed on that flight are
incredibly strong to be able to do so.


--
Peter

That's EXACTLY the way I felt after seeing "Saving Private Ryan".

That doesn't bode well! I walked out of SPR toward the end, after one
stupidity too many.

Really? I thought "Saving Private Ryan" was extremely well done. The
concept of "saving" someone may have been contrived, but the combat
sequences were disturbingly real.

Actually, the only movie I've EVER walked out of was "Passion of the
Christ". I've always been able to sit still through any movie, no
matter how awful or disturbing, until that one.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

It got a rave review in The New Yorker. I will certainly see it.

I thought that was the "Kiss of Death"?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I didn't see "PotC" because I anticipated it being gruesome. I've only
left a handful - one was "The Last Temptation of Christ." The most
recent was The Constant Gardner. I couldn't believe it got
nominations, and The World's Fastest Indian didn't.

("Richard Riley" wrote)
I didn't see "PotC" because I anticipated it being gruesome. I've only
left a handful - one was "The Last Temptation of Christ." The most recent
was The Constant Gardner. I couldn't believe it got nominations, and The
World's Fastest Indian didn't.


Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back (2001)

Free tickets. We gave it an hour...


Montblack

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

It got a rave review in The New Yorker. I will certainly see it.

I thought that was the "Kiss of Death"?

Why did you think that?

Flyingmonk wrote:
What'd you think of it? Should I go see it?

Not showing here in the Philippines yet, but I suppose I could buy a
pirated DVD from a street vendor downtown. (No, I do not really buy
pirated movies, but I can almost guarantee that I could get a copy if I
wanted one.)

The thing is, by the time Hollywood is done with a story, what with
adding non-existent love interests and plot twists, combining some
characters and creating new ones, editing the story line and
rearranging the sequence of events to make it more of a story, adding
new subplots and maybe finding some greedy businessman that they can
blame the whole thing on, making sure everyone expresses politically
correct views, and then maybe changing the type of airplane and/or
whatever, the whole incident would be virtually unrecognizable to
anyone involved.

There will be an airplane. It will crash. It will have terrorists and
some of the people will have the same names as those on United Flight
93. That is about all you can guarantee.

On 27 Apr 2006 14:16:59 -0700, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

oncept of "saving" someone may have been contrived, but the combat
sequences were disturbingly real.

I didn't mind the Dirty Dozen them; there are lots of movies like
that, and I enjoy them.

It was the *unreality* of the combat scenes that bothered me. It was
the fantasy of a boy who'd never been in the army, never mind in a
war.

He took some very sensitive 1990s types and put them at Omaha Beach,
which was in fact populated by graduates of the Great Depression. He
had officers wearing their rank on the FRONT of their helmets (very
handy for German snipers). He had them sleeping in a church, in
France, in the rain, and waking up next morning without shivering.
(Evidently Spielberg has never slept rough, either.) He had a sergeant
armed with an M-1 carbine leave a Garand sticking in the ground to
mark a gravesite, instead of swapping that toy gun for the real one.
He had a soldier asking for "bandoliers" of ammunition (the U.S. Army
carried preloaded clips in canvas pouches). Etc. Etc.

I much prefer the unreality of a James Bond flick to the boneheaded,
constant inaccuracies that Steven Spielberg put into SPR.



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