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"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote

You could say that about every unionized industry in the past 100 years.

The teacher's unions are the newest idiots-at-work.

I feel sorry for you, and the educational institution that has made you
feel this way about teachers.

Where I live, and teach, the vast majority of teachers are hard working,
dedicated professionals.

Yeah? How doyou iknow that? Did they tell you that?

Did they also tell you that because of their academic record they COULD'T GO
ANY WHERE ELSE?

Is that "hard working"`ethic the reason that so many of our Yutes are more
and more academiclly regressed with each passing year?


They teach for the love of it, because the crap pay and respect tossed
our way is not enough reason to stay in it.

Yet they stay, and stay. And every year our public indoctrination system
produces worse and worse morons.

You really have to dig a bit beyond the empty platitudes the "teachers" have
been spewing for a few generations now.

"LWG" wrote in message ...
You've hit upon the great paradox. The unions protect the wildly incompetent and undermine the respect we have for
the profession. In NYC, they have only fired one teacher in the last few years. It is so time consuming and expensive
to fire a teacher, they simly reassign the incompetent to places where they don't have to teach. Were it not for the
unions, teachers would be more highly regarded because they would be more highly qualified. There is little or no
issue of qualification in private schools, and the teachers command more respect from students and parents. Of course,
in order to go to a private school, one has to pay even more than the $10,000 per year per student they extract from
us in taxes for each government school pupil.



and most of the private schools pay the teachers much less than the public schools...

"Matt Barrow" wrote

You really have to dig a bit beyond the empty platitudes the "teachers"
have been spewing for a few generations now.

Matt, listening to your **** isn't worth it any more. If you got your head
out of your ass, you would see that the problems in education, are based far
more in the fact that the parents of today place no pressure on the student
to learn, foster no work ethics, and allow teachers and administration no
disciplinary actions that are meaningful.

Plonk. Again.

Sigh.
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Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote

You really have to dig a bit beyond the empty platitudes the "teachers"
have been spewing for a few generations now.

Matt, listening to your **** isn't worth it any more. If you got your
head out of your ass,

Here comes a great example of Jim's head up his ass and the education
establisments ass as well.

you would see that the problems in education, are based far more in the
fact that the parents of today place no pressure on the student to learn,
foster no work ethics, and allow teachers and administration no
disciplinary actions that are meaningful.

Yes, parental involvement is quite a big factor, yet how come so many
parents have to send their kids to private schools, tutors, home school...

Yes, disciplinary actions are pathetic, but guess who helped establish that
(along side the ACLU).

How come so many parents stopped attending PTA meeting due to being shouted
down and ridiculed by the "educators", many of who are only marginally
literate? Seen the tests scores by teachers?

I don't know who agenda your pushing, or whose ass your kissing, but you're
a prime example of the childish rationalizing that has been part of the
education system since John Dewey. (You do know who he is, don't you?)

Jim, you can play the denial game all you want, but I'd dare say I've done
more research on this _from objective sources_ than you and your kissing the
education establishments ass.

Here's a quiz if you haven't run off to pout:

1) Who is John Dewey and what was his agenda for education?

2) Same question regarding John Rawls.

3) Same question regarding Thomas Mann.

Yes, Jim, someone here is definitely full of **** and he looks...like you.

".Blueskies." wrote in message
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"LWG" wrote in message
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You've hit upon the great paradox. The unions protect the wildly
incompetent and undermine the respect we have for the profession. In NYC,
they have only fired one teacher in the last few years. It is so time
consuming and expensive to fire a teacher, they simly reassign the
incompetent to places where they don't have to teach. Were it not for
the unions, teachers would be more highly regarded because they would be
more highly qualified. There is little or no issue of qualification in
private schools, and the teachers command more respect from students and
parents. Of course, in order to go to a private school, one has to pay
even more than the $10,000 per year per student they extract from us in
taxes for each government school pupil.



and most of the private schools pay the teachers much less than the public
schools...
Yup...they can't draw their revenue at gun point.

and most of the private schools pay the teachers much less than the public
schools...

Yup...they can't draw their revenue at gun point.

And here in Ohio, the state teachers union is going to start signing up
the charter school teachers to get them union representation.
They can't get rid of them, so they are recruiting them.

"john smith" wrote in message
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and most of the private schools pay the teachers much less than the
public
schools...

Yup...they can't draw their revenue at gun point.

And here in Ohio, the state teachers union is going to start signing up
the charter school teachers to get them union representation.
They can't get rid of them, so they are recruiting them.

The K-9 school (private, not charter) where my kids went was almost
completely staffed with public school ex-patriate teachers. I rather suspect
a recruiting effort there would have resulted in tarring and featherings.

http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=7185 (Is the NEA Really a NUT?)

Is the NEA really a NUT? By asking, I’m not casting aspersions on the
National Education Association’s sanity, just on its choice of name. The NEA’s
British counterpart really is a NUT: It is the National Union of Teachers.
British educators unapologetically acknowledge that their union is a union,
while their American peers cling to a name that belies their organization’s
agenda — literally.

"LWG" wrote in message
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I don't know where you were, but I had a chance to be in a GM plant over a
period of years. What I saw was hardly a sweat shop. It was like my
concept of an assembly line, but in slow motion. On the engine line, you
could work ahead several jobs (taking all of about 2 minutes), and then sit
down and read the paper (for about 10 minutes) until those jobs passed you.
I never saw ANYTHING that looked even remotely rushed or even pressing.
All of this for money and benefits in the area of $100,000 per year, with
no educational investment. Of course, this plant is gone now. Those
employees are collecting the same money and benefits for sitting in a "job
bank" and doing cross word puzzles. Is it any wonder?



My mom has a cousin that always bragged about how he never showed up at
Chrysler to work, had others clock him in, slept on the job etc. Well the
plant is now closed and he isn't making crap working some autoparts job.
Who's bragging now?

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DW