Banning mogas at the airport...

Most farms have a large fuel supply and they use smaller
50-200 gallon tanks to fuel the tractors and combines in the
field, you don't drive the tractor 10 miles back to the barn
to get fuel. Also, AG pilots have fuel and chemicals
brought to the remote field when they are using the roads on
the farm as "airports."


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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| "GeorgeC" wrote in message
| ...
| The question that comes to mind is "What do California
farmer do?" I can
| just
| see a farmer filling his tractor with a lawn mower can
and then drive back
| to
| the house for more gas. Repeat 20 or more times :-)
|
| Is a farmer can have a tank on his truck, why can't an
aviator?
|
| Most farms have stationary tanks that are serviced by fuel
distributors.
| That's the norm but who knows what goes on in CA.
|
|

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote

Most farms have stationary tanks that are serviced by fuel distributors.
That's the norm but who knows what goes on in CA.

I don't think that fact would be possible to prove or disprove.

It would be very easy to prove or disprove. Drive around and count farms
with stationary tanks and those without stationary tanks. Farmers don't
have to pay road tax so filling up at the local gas stations us just plain
dumb and bad for business. Most pickups with tanks I see are for
construction companies not farmers. Besides, very few farm implements and
no construction equipment that I know of run on gasoline. Vast majority
run on diesel and that's also easy to prove. You walk up and smell 'em.
I'll bet 99 percent or more of those tanks you see are full of diesel.

Those that
have stationary tanks will have a paper trail, although it would be
difficult to assemble all of it.

Tanks in pickups are sold in big quantities and by many different
manufacturers. They are filled at local gas stations. No paper trail for
either of the above.

I think the stationary gas tank is perhaps a regional thing, because here
in
the area I live in, only very large farmers have stationary tanks, and
many
also have pickup tanks to use while they are away from the central tank
and
pump, which during parts of the year is almost every fill up
--
Jim in NC.

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:U9jug.77186$ZW3.45396@dukeread04...
Most farms have a large fuel supply and they use smaller
50-200 gallon tanks to fuel the tractors and combines in the
field, you don't drive the tractor 10 miles back to the barn
to get fuel. Also, AG pilots have fuel and chemicals
brought to the remote field when they are using the roads on
the farm as "airports."

And there ain't a drop of gasoline in any of 'em.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
. net...
|
| "GeorgeC" wrote in message
| ...
| The question that comes to mind is "What do California
farmer do?" I can
| just
| see a farmer filling his tractor with a lawn mower can
and then drive back
| to
| the house for more gas. Repeat 20 or more times :-)
|
| Is a farmer can have a tank on his truck, why can't an
aviator?
|
| Most farms have stationary tanks that are serviced by fuel
distributors.
| That's the norm but who knows what goes on in CA.
|
|

Morgans wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote


I think the state of California has some strict laws on transporting
fuel. You can take a couple lawn mower cans for your J-3 but putting a
tank on the back of your truck probably wouldn't fly.


Can you point to the law, or where a person could find it? I could not find
any law restricting gasoline transport, although I know there must be
something written.

Here is the company I bought my 50 gallon tank from and they claim
approval for use even in CA.

http://www.transferflow.com/refueling_tanks.html


Matt

"Dave Stadt" wrote

Most farms have stationary tanks that are serviced by fuel distributors.
That's the norm but who knows what goes on in CA.

I don't think that fact would be possible to prove or disprove. Those that
have stationary tanks will have a paper trail, although it would be
difficult to assemble all of it.

Tanks in pickups are sold in big quantities and by many different
manufacturers. They are filled at local gas stations. No paper trail for
either of the above.

I think the stationary gas tank is perhaps a regional thing, because here in
the area I live in, only very large farmers have stationary tanks, and many
also have pickup tanks to use while they are away from the central tank and
pump, which during parts of the year is almost every fill up
--
Jim in NC.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote

I think the state of California has some strict laws on transporting
fuel. You can take a couple lawn mower cans for your J-3 but putting a
tank on the back of your truck probably wouldn't fly.

Can you point to the law, or where a person could find it? I could not find
any law restricting gasoline transport, although I know there must be
something written.
--
Jim in NC

They still do use gasoline tractors, but most are now using
#2


"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:U9jug.77186$ZW3.45396@dukeread04...
| Most farms have a large fuel supply and they use smaller
| 50-200 gallon tanks to fuel the tractors and combines in
the
| field, you don't drive the tractor 10 miles back to the
barn
| to get fuel. Also, AG pilots have fuel and chemicals
| brought to the remote field when they are using the
roads on
| the farm as "airports."
|
| And there ain't a drop of gasoline in any of 'em.
|
|
| --
| James H. Macklin
| ATP,CFI,A&P
|
| "Dave Stadt" wrote in message
| . net...
| |
| | "GeorgeC" wrote in message
| | ...
| | The question that comes to mind is "What do
California
| farmer do?" I can
| | just
| | see a farmer filling his tractor with a lawn mower
can
| and then drive back
| | to
| | the house for more gas. Repeat 20 or more times :-)
| |
| | Is a farmer can have a tank on his truck, why can't
an
| aviator?
| |
| | Most farms have stationary tanks that are serviced by
fuel
| distributors.
| | That's the norm but who knows what goes on in CA.
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

California has strict road tax laws. All unleaded is sold with road tax
included. The buyer must request a refund quarterly and must provide copies
of certified invoices. In addition in order to request a refund the amount
must be over $600 or no joy. All diesel sold for off highway use is dyed
red and has no road tax. I have known trucks to get caught on a road. The
Highway Patrol will tow it and then require it be drained and filled with
undyed fuel. Plus there is a considerable fine. Don't know many that will
take the risk.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Morgans wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote


I think the state of California has some strict laws on transporting
fuel. You can take a couple lawn mower cans for your J-3 but putting a
tank on the back of your truck probably wouldn't fly.


Can you point to the law, or where a person could find it? I could not
find
any law restricting gasoline transport, although I know there must be
something written.

Here is the company I bought my 50 gallon tank from and they claim
approval for use even in CA.

http://www.transferflow.com/refueling_tanks.html


Matt

A lot of small farmers like to use the 1950's Ford and Allis
Chalmers or John Deere tractors because they are cheap and
do the light jobs, such as mowing, or the garden without the
complexity of the new $50,00+ tractors that can't be fixed
outside the factory shop.

You can put a fuel caddy on a trailer or a tank in your
pickup truck without getting involved with EPA fuel storage
licensing issue. Just as long as it is on wheels. But a
mounted tank or buried tank system gets very expensive.

State, federal and sometimes local jurisdictions will have
rules. There are fuel storage rules and fuel dispensing
rules under EPA and fire codes.


"Morgans" wrote in message
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|
| "Dave Stadt" wrote
|
| It would be very easy to prove or disprove. Drive
around and count farms
| with stationary tanks and those without stationary
tanks.
|
| Be my guest! g
|
| Farmers don't
| have to pay road tax so filling up at the local gas
stations us just plain
| dumb and bad for business. Most pickups with tanks I
see are for
| construction companies not farmers. Besides, very few
farm implements and
| no construction equipment that I know of run on
gasoline. Vast majority
| run on diesel and that's also easy to prove. You walk
up and smell 'em.
| I'll bet 99 percent or more of those tanks you see are
full of diesel.
|
| You seem to think that all farm operations are100,000 acre
farms, with 10
| full time employees. Around here, the norm is a farmer
that has a day job,
| doing construction, or something that has enough
flexibility to be off when
| he has to be. There are a lot of small tractors out there
(most as old as
| our airplanes) that are still gas powered.Granted, there
are a lot of
| diesels coming into use.
|
| They probably don't use enough fuel to justify a permanant
storage tank, and
| maybe be able to afford it. As far as the road tax goes,
there is an easy
| form to fill in and send in and get every penny of the tax
back.
|
| I really am not making this up. That is the way it is,
around here, and I
| suspect many other places, too.
| --
| Jim in NC
|
|

"Dave Stadt" wrote

It would be very easy to prove or disprove. Drive around and count farms
with stationary tanks and those without stationary tanks.

Be my guest! g

Farmers don't
have to pay road tax so filling up at the local gas stations us just plain
dumb and bad for business. Most pickups with tanks I see are for
construction companies not farmers. Besides, very few farm implements and
no construction equipment that I know of run on gasoline. Vast majority
run on diesel and that's also easy to prove. You walk up and smell 'em.
I'll bet 99 percent or more of those tanks you see are full of diesel.

You seem to think that all farm operations are100,000 acre farms, with 10
full time employees. Around here, the norm is a farmer that has a day job,
doing construction, or something that has enough flexibility to be off when
he has to be. There are a lot of small tractors out there (most as old as
our airplanes) that are still gas powered.Granted, there are a lot of
diesels coming into use.

They probably don't use enough fuel to justify a permanant storage tank, and
maybe be able to afford it. As far as the road tax goes, there is an easy
form to fill in and send in and get every penny of the tax back.

I really am not making this up. That is the way it is, around here, and I
suspect many other places, too.
--
Jim in NC