most anti-aviation city in the nation

Morgans wrote:
I do not think that any city can regulate what you do behind CLOSED doors,
as long as it is not commercial in nature.

No, not so. A city can legally prohibit anything it wants. Search
warrant issues might make it hard for them to PROVE what you're doing,
but they can certainly prohibit it. Even if they don't have probable
cause to get a warrant to look in your garage and see what you're
doing, they could still cite you, and then at court you are asked "Are
you building a plane in your garage?"

If you answer "Yes" you get fined and if you answer "No" you are
risking a perjury charge. (In a criminal case, of course, you could
decline to answer - but code infraction cites are considered civil, and
you have no protection against self-incrimination)

Richard

Lou wrote:
I read the same thing Jim, but I have the question of:
greatav8or, how do you know all this information? Are you the person in
question?

The first paragraph (a) addresses parking and storage, and that has the
"completely closed" clause.

The second paragraph (b) addresses working on your airplane, and that is
prohibited.

I'm a little surprised that something like this could be passed in Jax
FL. I lived there up until a couple years ago, and I didn't think of
city hall as... well, there's no nice way to state what I think of this.

"Jim Carriere" wrote in message
...
Lou wrote:
I read the same thing Jim, but I have the question of:
greatav8or, how do you know all this information? Are you the person in
question?

The first paragraph (a) addresses parking and storage, and that has the
"completely closed" clause.

The second paragraph (b) addresses working on your airplane, and that is
prohibited.

I'm a little surprised that something like this could be passed in Jax
FL. I lived there up until a couple years ago, and I didn't think of
city hall as... well, there's no nice way to state what I think of this.

The EAA had better get ahold of this case, and fight it all the way to the
SCOTUS. If they don't, they don't have a hair on their butt, and it will
likely cause me to drop my membership.

Everyone write the EAA.

Criminal. That is the only work I can come up with to describe this act.
--
Jim in NC

no! but if i had known how much the individual, that is involved, had
been spending on legal fees, i would have contributed to his cause so
that this sort of thing would have not gotten as far as it did. it all
comes back to the fact that "people get the kind of govenment they
deserve". if u do not hold elected officials to close daily scruitney,
they will screw u at the first chance.


Lou wrote:
I read the same thing Jim, but I have the question of:
greatav8or, how do you know all this information? Are you the person in
question?
Lou

That may be true, but why only target airboats and airplanes (is the
"testing" the issue because of rotating propellor blades)? What about
guys building hotrods and leaving them out in the driveway, half assembled?



Morgans wrote:

"Don W" wrote in message
. net...

Sounds like someone needs to talk with their city
council to figure out what the real issues are and
try to reach a compromise such that everyone can
be happy. Getting ****ed off and ignoring your
neighbor's concerns doesn't work well.

If they were working in their closed garage and
not making a lot of noise, then no one would even
know what they were doing, and it would not be a
concern.


I read it as only prohibiting it, if the craft was an unenclosed garage.
No?

Morgans wrote:
I read it as only prohibiting it, if the craft was an unenclosed garage.
No?

No... it prohibits STORING aircraft other than in a totally enclosed
garage, but prohibits working on them anywhere on the property.

Richard

Don W wrote:
Sounds like someone needs to talk with their city council to figure out
what the real issues are and try to reach a compromise such that
everyone can be happy. Getting ****ed off and ignoring your neighbor's
concerns doesn't work well.

If they were working in their closed garage and not making a lot of
noise, then no one would even know what they were doing, and it would
not be a concern.

Now their only choice is to rent a hangar with some buddies, or move to
another town.

Like they say: "you can't fight city hall"

No, you _can_ fight City Hall, just be prepared to spend a LOT of money
doing it.


AP

Don W wrote:
[snip]
Now their only choice is to rent a hangar with some buddies, or move to
another town.

BTW: Another, probably no less expensive option, would be to rent a
workshop in an industrial area.


AP

I've got to tell you, the more I read these post the more I think there
is something huge missing. Don't know what it is but we are not getting
the full information.
Lou

And you will get the full story. I am the thorn in the side of the
Jacksonville city council. I had actually planned on puting all of the
relevant facts on a web site before this hit the world so that people
could go there and get the full story. I expect to have it up sometime
tomorrow. The address will be www.jaxairplane.com. Building web sites
is not me specialty and this is a new domain name so it may take two
days to get it up and running. I will put up another post here as soon
as it is up.

To answer a few questions; no I am not the nut on 20/20, I am an
average homebuilder like most of us. I had a Sonerai with folding
wings on a trailer parked in the driveway on the side of my house the
last time I went to court. With the last ticket I got I had a Pitts
S-1 fuselage on a trailer in the same spot. I don't taxii down the
street and the last engine run I did was about 3-5 minutes during the
day on an 1835 VW six months ago at 1/4 throttle which is no louder
than most lawn mowers.

I promise to post all the relevant information on the web site. Just
be patient for a day or two.


Lou wrote:
I've got to tell you, the more I read these post the more I think there
is something huge missing. Don't know what it is but we are not getting
the full information.
Lou