Another small plane SLAMS into home, killing one occupant

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...


Why not just move the airshow to a less densely populated area, at a more
remote field? That does not strike me as unreasonable.

We don't have any other towered airfields in the vicinity with 6000-ft
runways and any less-dense populations. Hillsboro was it. Ironically, the
sponsors of the airshow who are also the major corporate users of the
airfield are the ones that built the factories around it.

I mean, guys, you gotta understand, these people are idiots. They fly their
own corporate jets out of there. This guy wasn't part of the airshow at
all. He just flew up to put his plane on static display, and was departing
with one flyby because except for that fat lady singing (F/A-18s, actually),
the airshow was already over.

In other words, it the next plane to auger out there could be one of the
airshow sponsors and, gee, guess what: There WAS a recent crash the
Nike lost a corporate jet and of course the big fuss was simply whether Phil
Knight was on board (he wasn't.)

They fly out of there, have always flown out of there, have sponsored the
airshow and helped bring it to Hillsboro, have had corporate jets crash
there -recently-, build homes and a factory under the pattern dictated by
the airshow they sponsor, and now they're all concerned, confused and
surprised that, gee, there were airplanes at the airshow they helped sponsor
flying in the pattern required for the airshow. How friggin' hard is it to
figure this stuff out before you build an actual factory and supporting
residential subdivisions?

We have people in Oregon who refuse to believe that he was on a flight
pattern. You can show 'em the AIRNAV data that specifically states a
right-hand pattern for that runway, and you can demonstrate that he crashed
on a right downwind leg, and they STILL insist he wasn't on a "flight path."

-c

A popular nickname for the Bonanza is Forkedtail Doctor
Killer




"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
| The pilot and his passenger who crashed last month in
Virginia (I think)
| were developers flying to their project. They might
disagree if they were
| still alive. (The recently deceased House Slamming jet
pilot was a lawyer
| -- interesting how many pilots are lawyers or politicians
in real
| life.... but that's another rant.)
|
| BTW, there is nothing preventing the airports from
purchasing surrounding
| land if "encursion" is really such a big issue. Of
course, that would
| mean the airport would have to shell out some dollars...
Cheaper to just
| fence off these properties and leave them undeveloped, all
for the benefit
| of the airport.
|
| Or maybe, Congress should pass a law PROHIBITING
POPULATION GROWTH. Boyer
| might not oppose that.
|
| Or, if enough pilots began Slamming into homes located
near airports, that
| would discourage the evil, greedy developers and solve
everything. Of
| course the developers would protest, producing phony
economic benefit
| studies, which would be countered by equally phony
economic benefit
| studies produced by independent agencies, such as AOPA,
the state aviation
| board, or the airport itself. It would be a food-fight,
but entertaining
| to observe.....
|
|
|

airplanes do not "SLAM" into anything, but then again a GRAND SLAM in
Baseball is an entirely different matter
BT

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
I agree with the "nudists", as I assume you are speaking of people. But
who knows? (Does the dead pilot qualify as a hero, do ya think? He
probably was heroically avoiding a much larger gathering of orphans or
something....)

The other data you suggest collecting would clutter up the database too
much IMO, although golf courses DO seem to be a popular alternative
landing site.

Question: If a golfer yells "fore" and then drives, hitting a small plane
buzzing the course or flying in for an off-field landing, would that
violate the FARs? Does the FAA have any jursidiction over golfers, and
how high they can hit the ball when they drive?


I have to think that this whole issue (House Slamming) would go away if
either:
1. Boyer issued a strongly worded statement opposing the slamming of GA
aircraft into homes
2. The FARs were modified to explicity outlaw slamming, crashing,
"impacting" or otherwise causing damage to properties on the ground
3. Alternatively, all private homes should be taken thru eminent domain,
and residents re-located to small portions of the country where
overflights are prohibited.

There could be other solutions to the Home Slamming problem, but we will
have to wait until a large group of people are killed on the ground
because of faulty equipment or "pilot error."

And a Grand Slam at Denny's is a real oxymoron.



"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:5zBvg.12804$6w.583@fed1read11...
| airplanes do not "SLAM" into anything, but then again a
GRAND SLAM in
| Baseball is an entirely different matter
| BT
|
| "Skylune" wrote in message
|
lkaboutaviation.com...
| I agree with the "nudists", as I assume you are speaking
of people. But
| who knows? (Does the dead pilot qualify as a hero, do
ya think? He
| probably was heroically avoiding a much larger gathering
of orphans or
| something....)
|
| The other data you suggest collecting would clutter up
the database too
| much IMO, although golf courses DO seem to be a popular
alternative
| landing site.
|
| Question: If a golfer yells "fore" and then drives,
hitting a small plane
| buzzing the course or flying in for an off-field
landing, would that
| violate the FARs? Does the FAA have any jursidiction
over golfers, and
| how high they can hit the ball when they drive?
|
|
| I have to think that this whole issue (House Slamming)
would go away if
| either:
| 1. Boyer issued a strongly worded statement opposing
the slamming of GA
| aircraft into homes
| 2. The FARs were modified to explicity outlaw slamming,
crashing,
| "impacting" or otherwise causing damage to properties on
the ground
| 3. Alternatively, all private homes should be taken
thru eminent domain,
| and residents re-located to small portions of the
country where
| overflights are prohibited.
|
| There could be other solutions to the Home Slamming
problem, but we will
| have to wait until a large group of people are killed on
the ground
| because of faulty equipment or "pilot error."
|
|
|

Skylune wrote:
Well, Intel seems to be making the same argument that I do. The area has
changed, like much of the country. I think it is reasonable to question
the wisdom of having an airshow in close proximity to a densely populated
area.

Why not just move the airshow to a less densely populated area, at a more
remote field? That does not strike me as unreasonable.

That's the usual thing. Build near an airport because the land is
cheap because of the airplanes, then complain about the airplanes and
force the airport to move.

Admittedly, I don't know about the specifics of Intel/Portland, so
maybe it's not the usual thing...

Jim Macklin wrote:
Then call your Congressman and write the NTSB. There should
also be a record of the planes that crash on ball diamonds
when nobody is there, on golf courses when nobody is
playing, in pastures and whether the field had cows, horses,
sheep, or nudists.


I want to see a federal database of all car crashes where the car hit a
house, so that we can force roads to be moved away from houses. Dang
noisy roads. Noisy cars, too.

On 19 Jul 2006 20:03:56 -0700, wrote:


Skylune wrote:
Well, Intel seems to be making the same argument that I do. The area has
changed, like much of the country. I think it is reasonable to question
the wisdom of having an airshow in close proximity to a densely populated
area.

Why not just move the airshow to a less densely populated area, at a more
remote field? That does not strike me as unreasonable.

That's the usual thing. Build near an airport because the land is
cheap because of the airplanes, then complain about the airplanes and
force the airport to move.

Admittedly, I don't know about the specifics of Intel/Portland, so
maybe it's not the usual thing...

Nothing particular about Hillsboro. Every quadrant surrounding
Portland, From Rhodendron to Yamhill and from Champoeg to
Battleground, is overbuilt and filled with Californians and shopping
malls. When I lived there, the bumperstickers said: "Don't
Californicate Oregon," but the Jarvisites moved in and eradicated the
simple, barefoot children of Ectopia.

(They did build some nice new GA airfields out around Sandy and
Estacada, though. Credit where due, and all that. I kept the T-craft
at Sandy for a while while Rich still owned the place.)
Don

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:16:16 -0400, Skylune wrote:

[snip]
Or, if enough pilots began Slamming into homes located near airports,
that would discourage the evil, greedy developers and solve everything.
Of
[snip]

Naw...congress will just pass a law making it illegal. That way, if you
survive you go to jail. Then they will figure out how it's really somehow
linked to terrorism. They then plaster your mug shot all over the news
toughting how they've made the country safer from terrorists.

Greg

wrote in message
ups.com...

That's the usual thing. Build near an airport because the land is
cheap because of the airplanes, then complain about the airplanes and
force the airport to move.

Admittedly, I don't know about the specifics of Intel/Portland, so maybe
it's not the usual thing...

Well, that's pretty much the way it is. Intel -sponsored- the same airshow
the same years they were building the factory under the pattern.

Minor note: although the airport is Portland-Hillsboro, Portlanders
generally avoid Beaverton. Soccer moms, cellphones and SUVs. Occasionally
they get hit by the light-rail train and sue the transit company because
they didn't have sufficient warning that the train was coming (like, for
example, looking both ways before crossing tracks.)

-c

"Don Tuite" wrote in message
...

Nothing particular about Hillsboro. Every quadrant surrounding Portland,
From Rhodendron to Yamhill and from Champoeg to
Battleground, is overbuilt and filled with Californians and shopping
malls.

Well, Don speaks the native tongue, that's for sure!

When I lived there, the bumperstickers said: "Don't Californicate Oregon,"
but the Jarvisites

What is a Jarvisite?! BTW, the average home in Portland sells for about
$300,000 now, and Vancouver caught up.

-c