Student practices landing with gear up

In article ,
"Peter R." wrote:

It is not until power is pulled almost all the way back, which in my case
typically is less than 50 feet above the runway or about a second before
touchdown.

Wow! That must be something to watch! 50 feet per second vertical rate
of descent on landing! I didn't know Bonanza gear was that stout!

john smith wrote:

Wow! That must be something to watch! 50 feet per second vertical rate
of descent on landing! I didn't know Bonanza gear was that stout!
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Some of you are so anal it makes me want to return to the bathroom for a
second wipe job to see what I am missing.

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
john smith wrote:

Wow! That must be something to watch! 50 feet per second vertical rate
of descent on landing! I didn't know Bonanza gear was that stout!
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Some of you are so anal it makes me want to return to the bathroom for a
second wipe job to see what I am missing.

LOL! Thanks, I needed that!

Comedians out of work everywhere, and some people here are still trying to
be funny! g
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Jim in NC

In article ,
"Peter R." wrote:

john smith wrote:

Wow! That must be something to watch! 50 feet per second vertical rate
of descent on landing! I didn't know Bonanza gear was that stout!
snip

Some of you are so anal it makes me want to return to the bathroom for a
second wipe job to see what I am missing.

And some are so anal they don't recognize a joke with a smiley! :-))

Peter R. wrote:

john smith wrote:


Wow! That must be something to watch! 50 feet per second vertical rate
of descent on landing! I didn't know Bonanza gear was that stout!

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Some of you are so anal it makes me want to return to the bathroom for a
second wipe job to see what I am missing.

And some write before they think giving us lots of material.

Matt

In my S35 the gear horn start at about 13-14 inches. Bottom of the
green is 15 inches. I reduce to 15 inches about 5 miles out. My gear
speed is 165 but I like to be around 145 or less to save wear and tear.
After putting some time on my Bo this last 11 months I am convinced
that many gear ups happen because pilots don't slow down enough in the
pattern. I have a hard time getting below 100 without putting the gear
down. I know Bonanza pilots who are deathly afraid to ever get below
100 unless their wheels are inches from the ground.



Peter R. wrote:

Peter Duniho wrote:


As for the warning horn, most retractable gear airplanes are equipped with
gear warning horns, and pilots frequently manage to ignore them

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With regards to my Bonanza, this horn is practically useless as it will
only sound when manifold pressure drops below 12 inches, well below the
green arc on the MP gauge (implying that for the majority of the approach
the horn would be silent).

It is not until power is pulled almost all the way back, which in my case
typically is less than 50 feet above the runway or about a second before
touchdown.

Newps wrote:

I have a hard time getting below 100 without putting the gear
down.

I, also.

I know Bonanza pilots who are deathly afraid to ever get below
100 unless their wheels are inches from the ground.

We've discussed this before, but you may recall the previous owner of my
aircraft had a cow when I was flying him a few years ago and the stall
warning horn chirped as the wheels touched. He is one of those pilots who
has to land fast.

I enjoy the challenge of landing the Bo in the shortest distance possible,
so I don't have a problem crossing the fence at 60kts.

--
Peter

I think you're talking mph. In any case, being too fast
makes a proper landing difficult. 1.3 Vso is perfectly
safe. Be sure to adjust for actual landing weight.


"Newps" wrote in message
. ..
| In my S35 the gear horn start at about 13-14 inches.
Bottom of the
| green is 15 inches. I reduce to 15 inches about 5 miles
out. My gear
| speed is 165 but I like to be around 145 or less to save
wear and tear.
| After putting some time on my Bo this last 11 months I am
convinced
| that many gear ups happen because pilots don't slow down
enough in the
| pattern. I have a hard time getting below 100 without
putting the gear
| down. I know Bonanza pilots who are deathly afraid to
ever get below
| 100 unless their wheels are inches from the ground.
|
|
|
| Peter R. wrote:
|
| Peter Duniho wrote:
|
|
| As for the warning horn, most retractable gear airplanes
are equipped with
| gear warning horns, and pilots frequently manage to
ignore them
|
| snip
|
| With regards to my Bonanza, this horn is practically
useless as it will
| only sound when manifold pressure drops below 12 inches,
well below the
| green arc on the MP gauge (implying that for the
majority of the approach
| the horn would be silent).
|
| It is not until power is pulled almost all the way back,
which in my case
| typically is less than 50 feet above the runway or about
a second before
| touchdown.
|
|

Peter R. wrote:
Peter Duniho wrote:


As for the warning horn, most retractable gear airplanes are equipped with
gear warning horns, and pilots frequently manage to ignore them

snip

With regards to my Bonanza, this horn is practically useless as it will
only sound when manifold pressure drops below 12 inches, well below the
green arc on the MP gauge (implying that for the majority of the approach
the horn would be silent).

It is not until power is pulled almost all the way back, which in my case
typically is less than 50 feet above the runway or about a second before
touchdown.

You must be ex-Navy if you are touching down with a 3,000 fpm rate of
descent (50 ft x 60 s/min).

Matt

In a previous article, "steve" said:
They just sent me an email stating that a student pilot from the flight
center they share it with, landed it with the gear up. How embarrassing,
especially since the plane has an automatic gear down deployment once it
drops below 100mph and the manifold and rpm resemble a landing
configuration. He/she must have shut it off. It has a loud alarm that sounds
off in that situation, so I don't know what might have happened..

Two possibilities:
- he disabled it when he was doing air work earlier OR
- he landed at 90 knots and half throttle.


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