barrel roll in 172

Why didn't you ask that in the original question then?


"Andrey Serbinenko" wrote in message
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Don't encourage that type of behavior with a yes. If he had to ask, he
is

I'm slightly disappointed by how quickly you've assumed my complete
brainlessness. Yes I know what FARs say, and what POH says, and no, I'm
not going to read this newsgroup and go break my neck the next morning.
What I was hoping to hear was an opinion of someone who's familiar with
what is involved in test-flying for normal/utility category and how much
it covers the type of stress imposed on the airframe and systems in a
barrel
roll.


Andrey

Well, I thought that I worded the question clearly enough. What I did not
realize was that the video that I'm told has been circulated here a short while
ago would make the question look like someone is about to do something rather
stupid in his 172.


Barney Rubble wrote:
Why didn't you ask that in the original question then?


"Andrey Serbinenko" wrote in message
...
Don't encourage that type of behavior with a yes. If he had to ask, he
is

I'm slightly disappointed by how quickly you've assumed my complete
brainlessness. Yes I know what FARs say, and what POH says, and no, I'm
not going to read this newsgroup and go break my neck the next morning.
What I was hoping to hear was an opinion of someone who's familiar with
what is involved in test-flying for normal/utility category and how much
it covers the type of stress imposed on the airframe and systems in a
barrel
roll.


Andrey

On 20 Jul 2006 15:22:10 GMT, Andrey Serbinenko
wrote in
::

I'm slightly disappointed by how quickly you've assumed my complete
brainlessness.

The reaction is probably due to a freshly minted private pilot who
recently posted a link to a video of him and his instructor doing a
roll (or was it a loop?) in a C-150.

Publishing such blatant disregard for regulations in a worldwide
public forum casts a bad light on all airmen, and is guaranteed to
receive the wrath of the readership of this newsgroup.

Larry Dighera schrieb:

The reaction is probably due to a freshly minted private pilot who
recently posted a link to a video of him and his instructor doing a
roll (or was it a loop?) in a C-150.

Probably not. Besides, who tells you it wasn't an aerobat and the
instructor not acro rated?

Stefan

On 20 Jul 2006 15:22:10 GMT, Andrey Serbinenko
wrote:

What I was hoping to hear was an opinion of someone who's familiar with
what is involved in test-flying for normal/utility category and how much
it covers the type of stress imposed on the airframe and systems in a barrel
roll.

As others have pointed out, it is NOT legal, at least in the U.S. But
it certainly possible, and just as certainly inadvisable. Any plane
can be barrel rolled... I seem to recall that someboy barrel rolled a
747 at the Paris Air Show around 30 years ago.

Many years ago when I was much younger and much more foolish, I looped
and rolled 172's a few times. Foolish, as I said, as only a teenage
boy can be (they sometimes call it "young man's immortality syndrome")
even though I had some acro training, and lucky that I didn't screw up
and overstress and/or overspeed the plane. It's just not designed for
that kind of thing. It was a bad idea then and and a bad idea now and
I would NOT attempt it today (not that I've even flown a 172 in the
past 25 years or so).

-Dana
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Geez, Morgans, can't someone ask a simple question about whether an
aircraft can perform a roll without you jumping to the absurd
conclusion that he's going to run right out and do it? There is such a
thing as "idle curiosity."

Take your meds and calm down.

AJ

Morgans wrote:
"john smith" wrote

Certified? No.
Possible? Yes, but you will finish much lower than where you started.

Don't encourage that type of behavior with a yes. If he had to ask, he is
probably not a competent aerobatic pilot, and a blown barrel roll could
stall the plane, or overstress it, so it fails then, or later.

I'll bet he is not going to wear a parachute, either, which is required.

The answer to rolling a normal category plane should be no, always.

We don't want his, or someone else's blood on our hands.
--
Jim in NC

"AJ" wrote in message
oups.com...
Geez, Morgans, can't someone ask a simple question about whether an
aircraft can perform a roll without you jumping to the absurd
conclusion that he's going to run right out and do it? There is such a
thing as "idle curiosity."

Take your meds and calm down.

First of all, lay off on the personal suggestions. That is unnecessary, and
in bad taste, when made in a serious tone, as you did.

Secondly, asking such a question, in the light of a certain other pilot from
the northwest already doing one and bragging about it here, it is
understandable to be concerned about doing it. Why on earth would a person
ask, if they were not interested in trying to do it?

Asking about such a procedure, IMHO shows a possible lack of judgment
developing. Any reasonable,sane person would know that a barrel roll in a
stock 172 is a very bad idea, unless it is done with the blessing of the
manufacturer, and performed by a very experienced acro pilot.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans schrieb:

Asking about such a procedure, IMHO shows a possible lack of judgment

Asking a question never shows any lack of judgement. Doing something
without asking may.

developing. Any reasonable,sane person would know that a barrel roll in a
stock 172 is a very bad idea,

He didn't ask whether it's a good idea, but whether it's possible.


The first safety rule of aviation I've learnt was "never assume".
Reading this group, it seems that many pilots are assuming an awful lot.

Stefan

Morgans wrote:
"john smith" wrote

Certified? No.
Possible? Yes, but you will finish much lower than where you started.

Don't encourage that type of behavior with a yes. If he had to ask, he is
probably not a competent aerobatic pilot, and a blown barrel roll could
stall the plane, or overstress it, so it fails then, or later.

I'll bet he is not going to wear a parachute, either, which is required.

The answer to rolling a normal category plane should be no, always.

We don't want his, or someone else's blood on our hands.

I am wondering why, if one may spin a 172, why one may not roll a 172 ...

Because Cessna didn't make it in the aerobatic category.



"Terry" wrote in message
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| Morgans wrote:
| "john smith" wrote
|
| Certified? No.
| Possible? Yes, but you will finish much lower than
where you started.
|
| Don't encourage that type of behavior with a yes. If he
had to ask, he is
| probably not a competent aerobatic pilot, and a blown
barrel roll could
| stall the plane, or overstress it, so it fails then, or
later.
|
| I'll bet he is not going to wear a parachute, either,
which is required.
|
| The answer to rolling a normal category plane should be
no, always.
|
| We don't want his, or someone else's blood on our hands.
|
| I am wondering why, if one may spin a 172, why one may not
roll a 172 ...